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this hope radio for the masses at Lyon

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abyssal in July 1947 here on the airport

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with open arms and applying this has

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been found and is now in the possession

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of the RA the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the GameChanger radio network

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I need your help to do

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year 19

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changer Network

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fade to black

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his spoke radio for

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tonight's the night it's Wednesday

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forty-four days into the new year just

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321 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of the beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for KJ CR the game

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changer network in kg are aid the planet

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I am your host to be Church what is

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how you dude you guys are getting so

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quick on the Twitter man grabbing the

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the video feeds from look at that man

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you guys are fast yeah

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you like those guitar picks don't you

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hey you guys a quick man I mean that was

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seconds follow me on twitter at Jade

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Turks radio that's what you want to do

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at Jade Church radio hashtag f2 B is the

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sandbox in real time that's where a

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conversation goes down but other

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that chat room and kgr a the planet to

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that chat room got email popping in real

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time that's right email in real time

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Jimmy had Jimmy Church radio calm

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imagine that emails gonna be big yeah

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it's gonna be big one day you're gonna

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see email you're gonna have one yeah

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Jimmy Jimmy turret radio DICOM how quick

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email has become passé all right I mean

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we all still use it but now it's about

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texting and and Twitter you know I tell

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you get a hold of people Mandy did you

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get my a Facebook message dude pick up

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the phone call me

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we'll look at your message on Facebook

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ah it's crazy how we communicate today

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Isaac Arthur returns tonight we're gonna

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discuss the Fermi paradox Isaac did did

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the full show with me Sunday night over

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on coast to coast full four hours and he

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is absolutely amazing and I promised you

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a Fermi paradox show for over a year

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the last four or five years but but I

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tonight it is here all right all right

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that's what we're gonna do we're gonna

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do it from top to bottom you have the

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Fermi paradox tomorrow night open lines

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to have Serena and Doug Taylor will be

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here tomorrow night Serena right Taylor

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and Douglas Taylor will be with this

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tomorrow night and also open lines all

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night long okay there you go

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you know what to do when it comes to

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social media right on stellar Twitter

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follow like and subscribe right there

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and hashtag F to B is the sandbox

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simple and I keep everything up in front

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of me I know I talked about it but it's

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you guys alright listen the Twitter

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situation and as well as the chat rooms

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didn't do it read it in the nope you

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sandbox you guys came up with the

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hashtags I don't know why you put the

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number 2 in there it could have been FTB

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that would have made things easy but no

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we got a no we got to throw a 2 in there

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so okay but you guys did all of that he

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created this so yeah I'm proud but now

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I've got to pay attention to it

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throughout the entire show it is

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incredible what is happening here it I

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ago the communication where I am

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necessarily check my email I might do

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that a couple times a day unless the

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alert comes in I might check all right

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but now a Twitter Facebook Facebook I'll

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jump over there once a day for a minute

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see if there's an emergency or any

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messages I don't even have facebook

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that's been turned off for for a long

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time so I don't even do that alright it

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is just it's a Twitter world these days

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it really really is alright so you know

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what to do with social media okay and

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now we've got some breaking news it was

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announced today that's right opportunity

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last night NASA reached out one final

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time to opportunity that rover on Mars

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which has been chugging along for so

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many years now hoping that it would

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reach out and communicate maybe phone

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home with some good news I'm back I'm

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okay my windshield wipers work since

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June it's been completely unresponsive

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and it's most likely because of a

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planet-wide sandstorm has covered its

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solar panels with dust and NASA pinged

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it over 1,000 times hoping over the last

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eight months to to get a response

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nothing happened and today nASA has

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announced that opportunity is officially

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dead dead like Momo dead sad - sad and

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the okay let me let me jump in and say

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something last night I brought up the

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new TV series well it's not new

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2016-2017 Mars and we're binging it now

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what episode were on right now seven

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there and they're going through a dust

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about opportunity when the word was

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coming out and Corby Way said he's got

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some news he's about to communicate with

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us we might have Corby on the show

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he's probably listening right now we'd

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our house we have solar panels we have

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solar power and what you have to do with

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those solar panels is you've got to wash

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they come out and they go up there and

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and clean them off well why wouldn't

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there be like windshield wipers on the

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solar panels yeah we all know about the

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why isn't there something you know okay

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so the solar panels here why isn't there

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something to go goes re3 and knocks the

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dust off where is that technology I

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don't get it I just you know you dot you

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design something like that it weights as

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much as a car you know it's beautiful

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technology if it did it did work for

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years but why wasn't there a wiper we

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clean that stuff off all right

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all right I know it sounds so simple now

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hopefully in the future and it's the

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same thing with isn't there like with

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the ISS or all of the satellites that

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there for 2 3 4 5 10 15 years at a crack

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aren't you accumulating dust right I

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think so so are they cleaning it or do

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they go out to do the astronauts go out

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cavalier do they go out and wipe the

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solar panels down that's funny Kevin

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thank you for that yeah II I'm serious

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I'm serious it just bums me out

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opportunity was really really cool come

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join us next week for the 2019 conscious

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life Expo right here in Los Angeles at

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the LAX Hilton gotten a lot of texts and

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tweets and email over the last week you

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know excited to come and hang out and

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meet you and stuff and it's weird how

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it's ramping up right now but next week

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today's the 13th next week unbelievable

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February 22nd through the 25th at the

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LAX Hilton and just head over to

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conscious life Expo calm and get

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full conference schedule right there

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with the correct times by the way and

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Friday night I'll be hosting the ancient

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aliens panel with Erich von Daniken's

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celebrating the 50th anniversary of

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Chariots of the Gods you've got to get

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tickets for that panel in advance

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that's Friday night at 7 p.m. coming up

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after that is contacting the desert that

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is May 31st through June 3rd in Indian

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Wells Palm Springs California tickets

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be hosting the awards dinner so you want

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last night I did it last week send us

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your pictures of you and your fade to

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we're gonna be building up a fader not

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with all of you we have hundreds

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hundreds literally hundreds of pictures

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I want them all I want them all we we

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send out stuff every single day so post

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them up in Twitter send them to me via

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ok alright where are we happy birthday

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to today Peter Gabriel Peter Gabriel

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today is 69 Henry Rollins the guy with

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the neck right Henry Rollins today Black

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Stockard Channing one of my favorite

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actresses every year I say happy

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birthday to her today she is 75 and also

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Peter Tork bass player for the Monkees

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Peter Tork today is 77 okay all right

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fade to black blend f2b blend go to

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of your order that's your that's your

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promo code you've got to get some of

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this coffee and is the but I cannot make

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it through a show I can't make it

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through a day I can't you know how I get

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out of bed in the morning Rita that's

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how I get out of bed cuz I smell the

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coffee from downstairs oh my god you

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know and once you get that whiff you

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can't you can't go back to sleep you

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can't do it something triggers in your

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body it's like man got that fade to

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black blend coffee that's exactly what

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happens and you need to go through that

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you need to go through the addiction

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that I have all right NASA is a good

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storyteller yes thank you so much for

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that Dan on this day in history

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ot D 1633 on this day Galileo arrives in

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Rome to face charges of heresy for

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advocating the Copernican theory which

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said that the Earth revolves around the

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Sun ended up going to jail house arrest

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for the rest of his life yeah he had to

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plead guilty to lesser charges they

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actually had that kind of thing back in

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1633 thank you Eric look at that see

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that's what I'm talking about

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Eric stood in his full Fader gear is

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gonna get a retweet he wants to be the

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top person in the fader not Gallery and

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you know what you keep whipping out

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pictures like that look you know what he

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looks good I think the way the autograph

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shows up on the hat to Eric that's

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really cool but that's not what I see

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here

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I see is that a coffee is that a French

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press in the background that's why I see

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I see the French press on the countertop

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in the amazing artwork right there is

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that I'm not even gonna say it on the

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air I think that's my poster behind Eric

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look at that okay all right

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where am I at Galileo 1633 where am i ad

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1633 Galileo Galileo fader fact Elvis

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Presley's manager Colonel Tom Parker

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sold

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I hate Elvis buttons and badges as a way

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to make money off of people at concerts

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that's a true story

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I had heard those rumors when I was a

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kid you know that you could buy I hate

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Elvis buttons because they want to make

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money and you know I heard you know but

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it turns out yes it was in deed true all

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right all right

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tonight right here very special guest

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Isaac Arthur we're going to be talking

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about the Fermi paradox we're gonna

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break it all down

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tomorrow night's open lines and we do

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have sarena right Taylor and Douglas

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Taylor here to join us and have a little

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conversation to warm up the show for all

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of you tomorrow night but first I wanted

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to discuss the Fermi paradox tonight

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Isaac Arthur's here and we're going to

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be spending all of our time discussing

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the question right where is everybody

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where is et and it's possible answer so

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that's the question the Fermi paradox

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and it's possible answers and there are

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many there's a lot of answers so that we

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don't have to take away from the show

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tonight here's a little historical

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perspective on the on the paradox and

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how it evolved because back in 1950

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while working at the Los Alamos National

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laboratory firming Fermi had a casual

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conversation while walking to lunch with

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Emil

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kind of be caught up in ski Edward

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Teller right the physicist at Herbert

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York the men discussed a recent spate of

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UFO reports and Alan and an Alan done

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cartoon that was blaming the

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disappearance of municipal trash cans on

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aliens

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alright so that's what was going down

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the conversation shifted to other

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subjects until during lunch Fermi

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suddenly exclaimed where are they right

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where is everybody and Teller

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Edward Teller says he remembers that and

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I'm quoting the result of his question

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was a general laughter because of the

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strange fact that in spite of Fermi's

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question coming out from the clear blue

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everybody around the table seemed to

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understand at once that he was talking

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about extraterrestrial life and quote

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Herbert your creek recalls that Fermi

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followed up on his comment with a series

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of calculations on the probability of

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earth-like planets the probability of

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life the likely rise in duration of high

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technology etc and concluded that we

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ought to have been visited long ago and

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many times over okay

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now although Fermi's name is most

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commonly associated with the paradox he

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was not the first to ask the question an

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clck offski alright in an unpublished

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manuscript from 1933 he noted people

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deny the presence of intelligent beings

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on planets of the universe because of

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one if such beings exist they would have

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visited earth and - if such

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civilizations existed they would have

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and giving us some sign of their

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existence end quote

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this was not a paradox you know for

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others who took this too implied that

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the absent of ETS but more that it was

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for him since he himself was a strong

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believer in extraterrestrial life in the

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possibility of space travel therefore

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and that was in 1933

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therefore he proposed what is now known

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as the zoo hypothesis and speculated

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that mankind is not yet ready for higher

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beings to contact us right he himself

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may have not been the first who

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discovered the paradox and suggested by

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his above-mentioned reference to others

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reasons for denying the existence of

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extraterrestrial civilizations now

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moving on Michael H Hart published in

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1975 a detailed examination of the

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paradox which seems to have become a

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theoretical reference point for for much

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of the research into what is now

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sometimes known as the Fermi Hart

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paradox

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well Fermi laid it out in 1950 Hart

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revisited it in depth in 1975 and today

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in 2019 we we know magnitudes more than

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we did in 1995 led long back in 75 or

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1950 my view of the paradox is not as

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much as where are they as much as why

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are they et holding back why are they

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holding back or are they see I think I

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think that many many many different

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civilizations are visiting us every

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single day not just one a lot you can go

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out on any given night and see at least

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one strange thing in the sky not a

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satellite or something that's

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explainable I mean at least one strange

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thing that you can ik

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Blayne but where is the gigantic

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mothership not something that arrives

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here on earth and flies over New York

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City and parts itself I'm just talking

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about like a crazy fly by something like

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something that's the size of our moon

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look you can go anywhere on this planet

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look up and see the moon right there it

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is for everybody to see so what about

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that something that ginormous something

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that we could clearly see you know all

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the nations of the earth you know and

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see words that and just look and go that

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that that's et you know just something

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just you know a fly by just to fly by

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not not entering the atmosphere or not

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landing not this not that take me to

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your leader I'm just talking about just

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a cruise you know and hang out there for

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a little bit where is that that's the

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part of the paradox that baffles me and

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maybe just maybe maybe maybe that

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although we see our planet as unique

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maybe there are billions just like ours

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just like Earth maybe even better maybe

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bigger maybe nicer that are you know

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that are worth et's time yeah right but

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maybe when it comes to earth et is like

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man earth is ok but let's go to Planet

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Vegas baby you know maybe it's like that

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think about it that maybe we're just not

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that unique maybe we were just like hey

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so ok let's say that I'm right let's say

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that et many et's know we are here and

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they visit all the time but they just

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kind of leave us alone they're not that

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interested the bigger paradox the church

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paradox is who on this planet knows the

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truth

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and why are they not telling us because

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that's a paradox and that's the bigger

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question I know any skeptic anybody

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because I was one I know that I can take

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out on any given I take out my night

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vision just go out and and look to the

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Stars look to them and see something try

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I know that we are being visited every

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single day and what I have always always

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suggested very strongly is that we are

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doing the same thing we're trying to

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figure it out we're out there looking to

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the stars we've been wondering since day

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one are we alone in the universe

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that's what we do et's got to be doing

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the same thing alright and traveling

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these vast distances forget about the

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universe just inside of our Milky Way

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takes time take a million years to cross

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the Milky Way a million years a million

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and everything gets investigated in

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between so you wouldn't you would do

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that you know what you would do that

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with with what we are seeing in the

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skies probes things cruising collecting

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data

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splitting not by one civilization by

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thousands because if I can go anywhere

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on any given night and pick a spot on

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this planet pick a spot in my state just

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go out and look and see something that

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means right over my head

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that means it's going on all over the

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planet you can go anywhere so we're

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being visited by thousands thousands of

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civilizations not just one that's just

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one they all communicate I'm gonna talk

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to Isaac about this tonight you know an

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advanced civilization out there that is

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crossing the univer are in communication

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with other civilizations hey man what

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have you found we found something over

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00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:31,040
here really check this out we found some

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stuff over here really all right I'm

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gonna go visit where you just were you

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go just visit where I am here's the

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ordnance and I'll see you later we'll

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talk next week alright Ralph our our our

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a Bob and the way they go they're all

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communicating with each other they have

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to is the only way to map this thing and

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the log all of the information that we

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have not only with the Stars but with

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the multiple planets that are with each

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star we're talking about a hundred

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billion we're talking about if you if

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you really stop and think about this

529
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maybe 500 billion stars or planets

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that's what we're dealing with today

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it's absolutely incredible

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy Church our guest tonight is Isaac

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Arthur we're discussing the Fermi

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paradox and we are gonna go top to

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bottom

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all right fade to black on the game

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changer Network in kg ra the planet our

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military church follow me on twitter at

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Jade's Hertz radio you know how to file

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follow Isaac Arthur he's right there and

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Twitter right now and I'll be right back

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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your host Jimmy Church can follow me on

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can follow Isaac at Isaac I think it's

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Isaac hey Arthur with an underscore but

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we've got all the links up for Isaac

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right there in Twitter so go and follow

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Isaac he's the host of science and

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futurism well it's science and futurism

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with Isaac Arthur and that's on YouTube

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he's got over 300,000 subscribers he's

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got over 200 I think it's over 200 I'll

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ask Isaac 200 episodes covering topics

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like the colonization of the solar

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system interstellar travel the Fermi

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paradox artificial intelligence and

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everything else that kind of challenges

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humanity he received his degree in

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physics from Kent State University

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graduating top of his class at the age

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of 20 remain there for graduate studies

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before joining the US Army served in

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Iraq he also worked as a civilian

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researcher at the Air Force Institute of

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Technology in Dayton Ohio and I would

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like to welcome back to fade to black

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coming off of a back-to-back for our

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appearance Sunday night on coast to

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coast am Isaac Arthur Isaac you're a

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rock star these days my friend Thank You

656
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:05,810
Jimmy I got it seems like been so long

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00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:07,640
since we last talked I think I'm gonna

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have to start going through your agent

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soon to get a hold of you but you know

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the thing is with the sharing of your

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information and and how you do it I want

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00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:22,359
to thank you for that because it is so

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digestible I keeps using that word with

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you but it's important because it can

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get very technical and for most people

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if they don't get it they just tune out

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but I don't do that with you so I want

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to thank you where did you where did you

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come up with the concepts to to get

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science to the masses like this so we

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could all figure something out

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well that's the funniest way it got

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started was I was just kind of doing as

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a hobby talking a bunch of all those

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as an oldest who will walk yon science

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fiction I was complaining about how it

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seemed kind of stagnant they won't lead

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you on new ideas so I've been throwing

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some ideas out there and I just one day

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compiled an episode of various concepts

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to look at and what the size behind him

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was and somehow that mutated into a

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channel so four years later here we are

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now I didn't ask you this the other

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night I'm gonna do it now I'm gonna go

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right there the Air Force Institute of

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Technology in Dayton Ohio oh yeah all

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right are you a man in black uh you know

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00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:32,340
we go in a completely windowless bunk

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over place a place where I was

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researching ant and but I hate to say we

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really had nothing interesting going on

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I mean I thought it was interesting but

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do we ever wonder why is this building

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got no windows in it and I said because

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we used to store film here and now we do

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laser experiments but I hate to say it

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00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:49,740
was a fairly boy and I was just an

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intern helping out I was 19 at the time

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so how did you accept that explanation

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00:37:02,180 --> 00:36:58,950
for a windowless building come on Arthur

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00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:02,190
well I kind of had to cuz I got to see

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everything was going on inside the place

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and we did actually have some old film

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00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:09,480
line on film for that age that stuff was

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flammable

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00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:12,990
now that was yet totally still is by the

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00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:15,750
way completely flammable but Isaac was

709
00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:18,450
this on base was this at wright-patt oh

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00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:21,840
yeah I was 145 building 140 was right by

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the main facility there's there's a

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larger building for the main campus of

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the Air Force Institute but some salient

714
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:29,580
Saudis meal just up the road from the

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museum which was if you've never been in

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00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:35,670
busy high I have yes I have I've been

717
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:37,020
there many times I've been there many

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00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:40,830
times one of the one of the great wealth

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certainly for for planes for aircraft

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but one of the great museums period in

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this country is is right there at Dayton

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00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:53,490
now okay but there is I've talked to a

723
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:55,950
lot of people that have worked at the

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base and they all say that the running

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00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,190
joke around the bases you know have you

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seen have you seen et

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00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:06,940
have you seen the bodies and they joke

728
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:09,670
about it did did you hear references to

729
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:12,970
to aliens at wright-patt oh yeah it was

730
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:14,260
a fairly common joke at that time

731
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:16,180
because I think if and you have to

732
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:18,130
double check my memory on this one but I

733
00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:19,270
believe they had said they'd moved much

734
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of the stuff Oh from area 51 today at

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00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:23,380
that time and there was one of the

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buildings there when it fly dislocation

737
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and if there was anything going on there

738
00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:29,140
I know nothing about it but it was it

739
00:38:32,190 --> 00:38:31,060
was quite the joke at the time and there

740
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:32,200
was obviously a lot of secret research

741
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:33,970
going on there but I wasn't too involved

742
00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:38,740
and eating interesting in that go ok ok

743
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:45,160
ok but I'm sure that you accept this

744
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,710
statement where there is smoke there's

745
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,560
fire

746
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:51,760
usually speaker then I mean it was

747
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:53,170
certainly there was a lot of secretly so

748
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:55,180
what's going on there but you know I

749
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:56,710
wasn't involved or that so I just can't

750
00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:59,440
do more than speculate so are you

751
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:01,210
squirming in your seat right now are you

752
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,210
uncomfortable it would have to be men

753
00:39:11,339 --> 00:39:09,280
you worked at the Air Force Institute of

754
00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:11,349
Technology at wright-patt where they

755
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:13,900
have all the alien secrets you write

756
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:16,510
about this you make videos about these

757
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:19,930
subjects so I've got to you know for my

758
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:21,490
audience I have to do the right thing

759
00:39:26,099 --> 00:39:24,310
and and just just wonder if there is a

760
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:26,109
connection here it is

761
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:27,880
tease sometimes it because I have to be

762
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:29,770
people come by this was before 9/11 this

763
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:31,569
was in 2000 so Billy there's a lot more

764
00:39:35,819 --> 00:39:33,250
openness the base and people will come

765
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:35,829
by asking questions what was inside you

766
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:37,750
know the plane cuts torn out and you

767
00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:39,400
could not tease people a little bit

768
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,990
because obvious had quite the be

769
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:42,880
non-american sounding voice the time so

770
00:39:46,859 --> 00:39:44,410
as women what are you doing there do not

771
00:39:48,059 --> 00:39:46,869
uniform because I was civilian and don't

772
00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:48,069
sound like you from this area

773
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:51,220
mm-hmm but no I mean if it's it was I

774
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:52,569
would say if again if you haven't been

775
00:39:58,109 --> 00:39:54,730
in that museum it's amazing and my past

776
00:39:59,370 --> 00:39:58,119
and I obviously an ex-army so I always

777
00:40:01,079 --> 00:39:59,380
reserved the air forces really nice

778
00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:01,089
spaces but it's just a gorgeous campus

779
00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:02,500
there everybody I walked with was

780
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:04,660
wonderful yeah those guys they were

781
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:06,130
their spare time they will fighter

782
00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:07,900
pilots scientists and trying out for

783
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:11,800
NASA so it's it's a ginormous base most

784
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:14,260
people you know it's in Ohio you know

785
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:16,630
it's in date and it doesn't make you

786
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:17,810
know Cincinnati day

787
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:20,570
Mille wouldn't think about the airforce

788
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:23,210
having a base there they do and not only

789
00:40:30,730 --> 00:40:26,960
is is it there but it is huge that is a

790
00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:30,740
big big piece of property well of course

791
00:40:33,730 --> 00:40:32,180
all of us in Ohio always a little bit

792
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:33,740
smug about all wool in the a oh

793
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:35,930
space-time mines you know like like

794
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:37,220
pasture obviously being a reference to

795
00:40:42,370 --> 00:40:40,010
the Wright brothers and home for John

796
00:40:45,010 --> 00:40:42,380
Glenn Neil Armstrong folks like that so

797
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:45,020
we've always been very happy to host the

798
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:47,240
very large Air Force Base they are for

799
00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:50,480
both patriotic patriotic and economic

800
00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:51,080
reasons

801
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:53,360
now what about okay last question about

802
00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:55,640
right Pat did you uh did you ever see

803
00:41:01,180 --> 00:40:59,480
hangar 18 I think I remember hearing

804
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:01,190
about it but I don't recall if I don't

805
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:04,670
see no not so man you're playing the

806
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:13,040
politician I do not recall that's the

807
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:14,810
first thing if I'm working there I'm

808
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:16,190
going okay where are the bodies

809
00:41:22,450 --> 00:41:20,630
where's hangar 18 I mean that was very

810
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:22,460
brand-new it was the you know the late

811
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:24,320
90s or 2000s was just when folks was

812
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:25,280
starting to think that that had been

813
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:27,050
wish nothing been moved to so you know

814
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:28,730
you were just catching the edge of that

815
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:30,770
so yeah very interesting that they were

816
00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:32,930
making references to area 51 about that

817
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:36,200
- well whether it's joking or not right

818
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:38,120
now we don't have we moved it all over

819
00:41:44,530 --> 00:41:41,810
to a Nevada well you know it's for us

820
00:41:46,510 --> 00:41:44,540
conspiracy guys that's so simple see

821
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:46,520
that's what I'm on about right there

822
00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:48,110
they're cracking jokes but they're

823
00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:50,300
trying to run the smokescreen on us man

824
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:52,460
it's not really a joke and they're

825
00:41:56,110 --> 00:41:54,260
trying to deflect you know that's what

826
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:56,120
we do it's it's the nature of the

827
00:41:59,710 --> 00:41:57,500
business in this community

828
00:42:01,390 --> 00:41:59,720
oh and so if there was anything going on

829
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,400
they oh and I'm not gonna say there is

830
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:03,200
it wasn't I just don't know because I

831
00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:04,310
mean they wouldn't be telling you think

832
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:05,420
it's like that anyway and of course if I

833
00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:06,890
didn't know I wouldn't say anything you

834
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:10,040
know after the show tonight they're

835
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:11,720
gonna call you up and go good job man

836
00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:13,850
that was good deflecting and you're

837
00:42:19,780 --> 00:42:15,560
gonna go yeah did I do good

838
00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:19,790
Oh planning the plan all right

839
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:21,830
let's let's get started here we've got a

840
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:24,500
lot to discuss tonight it is going to be

841
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:28,100
a very thick show with information and I

842
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:35,540
the Fermi paradox okay all right and

843
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:37,830
then and then we're gonna take off but

844
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:40,770
this is the Fermi paradox that there are

845
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:44,130
500 billion stars in our Milky Way with

846
00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:47,820
over 500 billion planets billions of

847
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:50,790
which are earth-like and possibly have

848
00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:54,030
intelligent life and there could be 1

849
00:42:59,960 --> 00:42:57,740
trillion galaxies in our universe so

850
00:43:02,990 --> 00:42:59,970
where is everybody

851
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:03,000
that's the Fermi paradox the church

852
00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:06,390
version that's my update my 2019 update

853
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:10,320
to the Fermi paradox and now we have the

854
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:13,350
question which is laid out there and we

855
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,530
have 20 official answers that we are

856
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:21,900
going the ones that have been explored

857
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:24,690
the most that you do too as well Isaac

858
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:27,540
and we're gonna explore each one of

859
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:29,910
these answers I'm gonna give you the

860
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:34,050
answer and then you are going to expand

861
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,090
on it all right are you ready to go

862
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:38,400
let's go man this is so in your

863
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:39,900
wheelhouse you're like this is gonna be

864
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:42,660
the easiest show I've ever done this is

865
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,170
how us you're a seer SATs right here

866
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:48,720
you've got a cheat sheet but let's let's

867
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,850
so let's break this down where is

868
00:43:56,810 --> 00:43:53,640
everybody well ok let's go to answer

869
00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:56,820
number one which you explore really

870
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:00,390
really well and it's the best foundation

871
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:04,080
to start which is that extraterrestrial

872
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:09,960
life is rare or non-existent I would say

873
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:12,180
the usual approach on this is to say you

874
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:13,890
know based on the hall conjecture which

875
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,140
is comma deform a paradox got started if

876
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:18,000
you've got life and if you can get out

877
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:19,950
there and settle the stars and galaxies

878
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:22,500
it should be virtually impossible not to

879
00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:25,170
find aliens because they should be

880
00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:27,120
everywhere not just they usually have a

881
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:28,590
bunch of plants with them but they

882
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:29,970
should have a Starbucks on the moon by

883
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:32,430
now and so if things do get out there

884
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,530
and expand which is what biologically

885
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,300
evolved life should generally tend to do

886
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:38,520
if it's possible travel out to the stars

887
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:40,410
you should be impossible to miss them

888
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:42,600
and this is the basic notions we don't

889
00:44:46,349 --> 00:44:44,230
see that anywhere

890
00:44:47,730 --> 00:44:46,359
only takes one the folks weren't on the

891
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:47,740
scene you know if humanity hadn't

892
00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:49,270
evolved for something should come along

893
00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:51,640
after us and have done the same job one

894
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:53,590
way or another the space fills up and

895
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:55,660
that's basically the reason behind the

896
00:45:00,990 --> 00:44:59,200
idea that we would say life is very rare

897
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:01,000
or at least intelligent life is very

898
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,950
rare in the universe because we don't

899
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:04,960
see that and almost every solution after

900
00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:07,960
that has to base itself on either a why

901
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:10,900
we don't see them B why we can't see

902
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,090
them or they don't expand outward or see

903
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:15,040
that we do see them all the time of

904
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:16,450
course and we just can't convince

905
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:18,850
ourselves they're true and we're I have

906
00:45:27,780 --> 00:45:22,630
problems with this answer is if you look

907
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:27,790
at Earth we can't stop life here right

908
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:32,350
you can't stop it it continued you burn

909
00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:35,710
down burn down a forest down to carbon

910
00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:38,260
down to charcoal I've come littering the

911
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:40,420
ground but we literally have types of

912
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:42,190
trees that manage to pollinate

913
00:45:48,510 --> 00:45:43,990
themselves by being toasted me that's

914
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:48,520
what you cannot stop life here you can

915
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:50,560
do whatever you want could choke out

916
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:53,170
ozone everything else and a couple of

917
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:55,740
years later Ozone's back life is back

918
00:46:02,190 --> 00:46:00,160
choke the oxygen out of the oceans you

919
00:46:05,490 --> 00:46:02,200
know give a dead pond a stagnant

920
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:05,500
whatever you know one season and then

921
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:07,930
you're fishing there a year later you

922
00:46:12,990 --> 00:46:10,270
know you can't stop life on this planet

923
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:13,000
why would it be any different forget

924
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:16,600
about intelligent life sentient life but

925
00:46:23,609 --> 00:46:20,020
just microbial life you would think that

926
00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:23,619
it is absolutely everywhere on anything

927
00:46:29,460 --> 00:46:26,500
that is his resembling a rocky planet

928
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:29,470
well that's the base of the core veil or

929
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:31,090
thigh pathi cyst it just says life is

930
00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:33,790
Pali veil is one thing life does better

931
00:46:38,490 --> 00:46:35,740
than anything else it is a machine that

932
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:38,500
once it's in place folks it's all of its

933
00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:41,500
effort for millions of years on going to

934
00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:43,420
be better at surviving right it is the

935
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,400
survival machine that is literally the

936
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:47,680
definition of life so any place that

937
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:50,080
pops up unless there's something truly

938
00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:51,940
whole what happens that that water gets

939
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:53,230
smacked by another one or something like

940
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:55,090
that it should still be there

941
00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:56,680
and every year I should be getting

942
00:47:00,730 --> 00:46:57,630
better and better at survive

943
00:47:02,540 --> 00:47:00,740
so I know it has to be that either

944
00:47:04,070 --> 00:47:02,550
intelligence doesn't evolve from that

945
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:04,080
very much which has some reason behind

946
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:07,050
it or they just almost never get started

947
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:09,870
in the first place and that is very hard

948
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:11,490
for a lot of us to swallow because it

949
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:12,840
just doesn't seem like that should be

950
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:16,710
the way it is yeah life it is so strange

951
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:19,770
the one thing let me tell you when I say

952
00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:22,440
you can't stop life okay one of the most

953
00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:25,160
horrific thoughts you can have is

954
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:28,080
cannibalism right that's the one thing

955
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,510
if somebody says oh man that that's the

956
00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:32,400
this poor tastes pretty good that's not

957
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:34,620
pork man that's that's monkey you're

958
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:37,680
gonna throw up your brain triggers right

959
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:41,010
your brain triggers it's like ah but if

960
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:44,940
you're hungry you're gonna eat your own

961
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:48,810
arm right you will do whatever it takes

962
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:52,410
to survive life is is is something you

963
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,430
cannot stop on this planet so to have

964
00:48:00,650 --> 00:47:58,260
this as answer number one which is the

965
00:48:02,420 --> 00:48:00,660
first go to right an extraterrestrial

966
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,430
life is either rare or non-existent

967
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,140
I can almost scratch that one off the

968
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:06,960
list a lot of us I mean that's the

969
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:08,670
biggest source of the problem with us

970
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:10,950
when we sit with a for me paradox almost

971
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:12,060
all the reasoning is based off the

972
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:14,370
assumption that it must be really common

973
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:16,050
for life to pop up we don't know how

974
00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:18,210
come and maybe once every few thousand

975
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:20,580
plants maybe every solar system and more

976
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:23,250
than once but right but most people just

977
00:48:29,180 --> 00:48:25,740
tend to feel abiogenesis that 4slice

978
00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:29,190
bulk must happen pretty often problem is

979
00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:30,870
we don't actually have any data to back

980
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,430
that up it's just we all kind of feel

981
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,380
like that should be true and almost

982
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,660
every other phony paradox hypothesis is

983
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:39,240
kind of based off that assumption now

984
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,420
let's go to answer number two okay

985
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:44,640
question is so where is everybody where

986
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:48,230
is et and the answer no other

987
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:53,370
intelligent species have arisen now I

988
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:55,770
need you to respond to that as directly

989
00:49:00,260 --> 00:48:58,500
as you can now there does have to be a

990
00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:00,270
second cavion that when we say no other

991
00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:02,670
intelligent species as arisen we always

992
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,590
want to say that modification on that is

993
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:07,140
no other technological civilization has

994
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:09,170
arisen and not died

995
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:10,850
because it could be that the entire

996
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:13,940
galaxy is covered in cavemen we spent on

997
00:49:18,340 --> 00:49:16,640
New Year's going from fire before we

998
00:49:20,410 --> 00:49:18,350
actually all about doing pottery or your

999
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,420
metal walk and then we wrote your space

1000
00:49:24,490 --> 00:49:22,640
fairly soon thereafter right 1% of the

1001
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:24,500
time it took us to go from file to metal

1002
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:27,050
walking and pottery right is how I stick

1003
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:28,700
that's to go from those to the moon

1004
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:31,190
right so it could be that the galaxy is

1005
00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:32,870
covered in places where they just didn't

1006
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:34,580
get much into technology and we have

1007
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,200
historical precedent of that happened to

1008
00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:39,920
I do not like that answer but there's no

1009
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:41,990
evidence to counter indicated either you

1010
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:43,370
know so me these for me paradox things

1011
00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:46,130
they all have something not light with

1012
00:49:50,290 --> 00:49:48,620
them so well and I'll give you okay now

1013
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:50,300
here's my example one that you've

1014
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:52,550
touched on to over the last couple of

1015
00:50:00,900 --> 00:49:55,880
years it's a very simple one it was

1016
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:04,750
octopus octopi are an alien species

1017
00:50:08,650 --> 00:50:06,830
right that they are unique onto this

1018
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:08,660
planet they're in - they're sentient

1019
00:50:12,730 --> 00:50:11,030
they're intelligent they they they have

1020
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:12,740
everything that we have they're probably

1021
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:14,390
smarter than us but they're not like

1022
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,250
anything else on this planet therefore

1023
00:50:22,090 --> 00:50:19,520
they must have been brought here from

1024
00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:22,100
somewhere else and now the reason why I

1025
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:25,580
bring that up is and and look at like

1026
00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:29,360
Europa for instance or you know one of

1027
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:31,820
the Jupiter's moons where there could be

1028
00:50:36,460 --> 00:50:34,310
life there maybe even intelligent life

1029
00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:36,470
but it's underwater well if you're

1030
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,070
underwater what do you lack fire come up

1031
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:44,720
with some really strange - no I was we

1032
00:50:48,730 --> 00:50:46,790
did a whole episode on that with with my

1033
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:48,740
friend Sean on uplifting you know how

1034
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:49,940
you might have to go and help these

1035
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:51,530
speech sounds you might come across they

1036
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:53,630
a technological civilization that lives

1037
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:55,970
under the water they can use tools but

1038
00:51:00,250 --> 00:50:58,010
you really can't do chemistry or fire or

1039
00:51:02,620 --> 00:51:00,260
metallurgy they are if it took us a

1040
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,630
million years using fire

1041
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:04,160
regularly to come up with the idea of

1042
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:07,250
making pots and knives how long does it

1043
00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:09,230
take you to do that when you can't start

1044
00:51:13,630 --> 00:51:11,660
a file so if we can't roll out that you

1045
00:51:15,220 --> 00:51:13,640
might get into space one day if you are

1046
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:15,230
living in an ocean but if you're living

1047
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:18,290
in a subsurface ocean - you don't have

1048
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:20,450
any place to go up to the Europa there

1049
00:51:23,050 --> 00:51:22,130
was no ale up there - born a file if

1050
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:23,060
you'd actually do

1051
00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:25,310
the surface there's just radiation all

1052
00:51:28,540 --> 00:51:27,020
over the place you're not going to be

1053
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:28,550
able to look up at the night sky cuz

1054
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:30,620
it's a big empty ice ball above you and

1055
00:51:35,350 --> 00:51:32,750
so places like that they could have

1056
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:35,360
intelligent life on them for millions or

1057
00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:37,310
billions of years that just sticks that

1058
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:39,590
way but the one thing they use do have

1059
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:41,150
going against them is there's not much

1060
00:51:45,310 --> 00:51:43,280
energy flow and the big thing you need

1061
00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:45,320
for a really complex and diverse ecology

1062
00:51:50,020 --> 00:51:48,470
is a lot of energy flow and most of

1063
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:50,030
those places will not have it so they

1064
00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:52,520
might have life it might be kept fairly

1065
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,920
simple too could you imagine you know

1066
00:52:03,240 --> 00:51:57,920
being smart like an octopus but being

1067
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:03,250
underwater so that means no no no bongs

1068
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:10,460
no cigarettes no hot food right there's

1069
00:52:13,810 --> 00:52:12,410
chemical thermal events but it may be

1070
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:13,820
they'll figure out some way to use those

1071
00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:17,690
ah you could light your one-hit bong off

1072
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:21,110
a thermal vent that's possible it's

1073
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,490
possible you're supposed to laugh at

1074
00:52:27,340 --> 00:52:25,760
that point Isaac that's these are good

1075
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:27,350
jokes these are good jokes alright let's

1076
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:31,250
go to answer number three okay so where

1077
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:35,230
is everybody where is et answer

1078
00:52:41,380 --> 00:52:38,840
intelligent alien species lack advanced

1079
00:52:44,290 --> 00:52:41,390
technology we just touched upon this as

1080
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:44,300
a subgroup but this is something that

1081
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:46,190
needs to be visited and it reminds me of

1082
00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:49,250
the movie it's hard to be a god I don't

1083
00:52:54,310 --> 00:52:51,380
know if you've seen it but it's an

1084
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:54,320
incredible movie a Russian movie about

1085
00:53:00,910 --> 00:52:57,920
us visiting another planet it's humans

1086
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:00,920
look just like us but they're stuck in

1087
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:02,990
the dark ages and they're happy about

1088
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:05,570
that they don't want to learn they're

1089
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,540
okay about being right there well it's

1090
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:09,920
contemplations of that that give us

1091
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:11,210
things like the Star Trek prime

1092
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,650
directive and one of our more popular

1093
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categories for the phone we paired ask

1094
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:17,330
the zoo hypothesis and back to the

1095
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,920
uplifting thing for a moment if you come

1096
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:20,960
across a species you've got three basic

1097
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:22,430
ways that you could lift them up as a

1098
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:24,410
war to our level purely technological

1099
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:26,510
which we like you meet cavemen they got

1100
00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:27,920
the brains and the physiology for it

1101
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:29,500
you're just given the knowledge

1102
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:31,670
physiological which is like dolphins

1103
00:53:34,830 --> 00:53:33,020
they don't have opposable thumbs so you

1104
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,840
might have to give them to them and

1105
00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:36,800
neurological which might be some

1106
00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:38,900
like you know you come across some crabs

1107
00:53:42,850 --> 00:53:40,580
and you make them small enough that they

1108
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:42,860
can use technology and then of course

1109
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:44,600
there's always that ethics thing is what

1110
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:46,610
do you do and where's the line I think a

1111
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:48,650
lot of us would say that if you came

1112
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:51,170
across a species that was trapped on a

1113
00:53:56,170 --> 00:53:54,920
subsurface ocean like Europa it's maybe

1114
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:56,180
you should leave them be but the same

1115
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,710
hand they've kind of stuck they own and

1116
00:54:01,570 --> 00:53:58,880
if you know they've been stuck there for

1117
00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:01,580
a million years maybe you should just go

1118
00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:03,140
ahead and make contact with them and

1119
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:05,150
give them technology because it would

1120
00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:06,410
seem like such a shame to leave them

1121
00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:08,030
trapped there forever what kind of

1122
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:09,950
technology do you throw them a pack of

1123
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:13,910
matches I mean I know that's what I'm

1124
00:54:18,190 --> 00:54:15,650
saying what what kind of what would you

1125
00:54:20,650 --> 00:54:18,200
what would you suggest well I'm trying

1126
00:54:22,450 --> 00:54:20,660
to think you know we invented torches

1127
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:22,460
that would walk onto water back in what

1128
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:24,110
well one I think but so there are things

1129
00:54:27,310 --> 00:54:25,910
you can use underwater you can create

1130
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:27,320
oxygen under there obviously because

1131
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:30,290
it's mostly oxygen biomass but you have

1132
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:31,760
to give them you know you can invent

1133
00:54:35,590 --> 00:54:34,310
this technology they are in theory but

1134
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,600
it's much easier to invent it but you

1135
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,000
actually have file walking me easily in

1136
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,440
the first place so you probably

1137
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:40,640
introduce technologies that were

1138
00:54:44,980 --> 00:54:42,440
designed to walk underwater which is

1139
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:44,990
actually quite difficult course but not

1140
00:54:47,830 --> 00:54:46,310
only to have them underwater like a

1141
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:47,840
submarine is but actually have them

1142
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,420
underwater and exposed and obviously

1143
00:54:55,090 --> 00:54:52,400
salt water for instance horrible things

1144
00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:55,100
to to most electronics well should be

1145
00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:56,870
possible to build and manufacture stuff

1146
00:54:59,950 --> 00:54:58,310
that would walk under there that we

1147
00:55:01,060 --> 00:54:59,960
could show them how to make and refine

1148
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:01,070
and do on their own

1149
00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:05,330
now what about Arthur C Clarke's you

1150
00:55:09,820 --> 00:55:07,340
know approach to this where you know

1151
00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:09,830
let's say you and I and land on the

1152
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:11,840
planet I always say you and I because

1153
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:14,210
you know it's if the smart guy in the

1154
00:55:19,770 --> 00:55:16,370
dumb guy you and I land on the planet

1155
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:19,780
and we run into a species like

1156
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:23,090
Australopithecus right or you know just

1157
00:55:29,290 --> 00:55:25,940
something that is right on the cusp of

1158
00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:29,300
some kind of evolutionary move do we

1159
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:31,430
drop a monolith yes yeah do we drop a

1160
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:36,940
model a third or radically change them I

1161
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:40,610
myself would favor doing so because you

1162
00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:43,010
know the alternative is to quarantine

1163
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:44,540
that plant off of everybody else

1164
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,450
for millions of years so you splint do

1165
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:49,980
you split do you drop it off and

1166
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:53,010
go know I'd land Leo and talk to him

1167
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:54,240
well I wouldn't land they owe and talk

1168
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,740
to them as a human I'd I'd take some

1169
00:55:59,540 --> 00:55:57,720
time Lord about them papi mock-up some

1170
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:59,550
androids that looked more like them and

1171
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:01,020
could toss them in their own tongue and

1172
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:03,000
just try to introduce themselves without

1173
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:05,130
playing God but something that backs you

1174
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,770
into a corner ethically but you know

1175
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,660
they're small enough to be Oh to calm

1176
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:11,520
you know contemplate abstract concepts

1177
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:13,290
that could lead to technology I feel

1178
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:14,790
like it they're probably small enough to

1179
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:16,609
try to have a conversation with and

1180
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:21,869
let's let's suppose something else let's

1181
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:26,720
suppose that we dropped it off and

1182
00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:29,670
allowed them no communication no direct

1183
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:32,100
anything the monolith type of idea right

1184
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:35,310
where the now they just they either get

1185
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:38,310
it or they don't but we split and we

1186
00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:41,010
come back in a thousand years and see

1187
00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:43,230
where what they did with it and then

1188
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:46,200
maybe help them again if they didn't

1189
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:49,020
quite get it isn't that a more logical

1190
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,250
approach because now you're not

1191
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:53,040
interfering only on forced inspection

1192
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:54,420
this is where the real problem gets in

1193
00:56:58,820 --> 00:56:57,000
here is in that thousand years how have

1194
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:58,830
you kept anybody else can come in poking

1195
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:00,780
around you know I know when I get there

1196
00:57:05,090 --> 00:57:03,090
my motors all probably reasonably pure

1197
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:05,100
ish I don't know who's gonna show up in

1198
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:07,140
the meantime try some glass beads or

1199
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:09,270
play God or even just try to upload them

1200
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,300
too fast so they blow themselves up and

1201
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,940
what about okay and then what could also

1202
00:57:20,090 --> 00:57:17,040
happen those thousand years is you come

1203
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:20,100
back and they've been enslaved or you

1204
00:57:24,849 --> 00:57:21,210
come back but you can't come back

1205
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:24,859
because you've been defunded yes yes

1206
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:29,730
have you seen have you seen Mars the the

1207
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:32,100
Ron Howard produced TV series on Angie

1208
00:57:38,540 --> 00:57:35,520
oh I've got part of it but I'm I'm loyal

1209
00:57:39,859 --> 00:57:38,550
I now at the Andy wheel Phil okay all

1210
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:39,869
right yeah fair enough that that's

1211
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:42,810
that's fair but I check out Mars because

1212
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:45,660
one of the things that they do they deal

1213
00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:47,910
with today's technology Elon Musk and

1214
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:50,460
they shoe it shoot a documentary style

1215
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:53,609
for present day but then they go to you

1216
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:55,770
know twenty thirty three and you know

1217
00:58:01,860 --> 00:57:57,960
getting to Mars but they go through all

1218
00:58:04,530 --> 00:58:01,870
of those funding D funding issues it

1219
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:04,540
pretty realistic no aliens no laser

1220
00:58:09,390 --> 00:58:06,490
cannons you know there's nothing like

1221
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:09,400
that it is purely a day-to-day existence

1222
00:58:14,790 --> 00:58:12,910
of survival on Mars but it's very very

1223
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:14,800
interesting and it makes me wonder if

1224
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:18,730
those writers haven't been peeping out

1225
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,160
science of futurism with Isaac Arthur

1226
00:58:25,530 --> 00:58:23,440
because it's all right there let's take

1227
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,540
a break Isaac let's do it right here

1228
00:58:28,740 --> 00:58:27,520
this is fade to black I'm you know

1229
00:58:31,170 --> 00:58:28,750
stupid Church our guest tonight

1230
00:58:35,220 --> 00:58:31,180
Isaac Arthur this is the Fermi paradox

1231
00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:35,230
from A to Z stay with us we'll be right

1232
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back after this short break on the game

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church I guess tonight Isaac

1349
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you've always had questions right and I

1350
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get that the Fermi paradox is complex

1351
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what we're gonna do it all tonight hey

1352
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Isaac are you hip to CBD CBD

1353
01:04:53,660 --> 01:04:51,420
yeah CBD oil not familiar with it

1354
01:04:56,359 --> 01:04:53,670
oh man it's this miracle stuff you know

1355
01:05:01,609 --> 01:04:56,369
it comes it's uh you know derived from

1356
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:01,619
hemp oh yes yeah yeah CBD and it works

1357
01:05:07,759 --> 01:05:04,910
last summer I had this violent

1358
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:07,769
woodchipper accident right chop my head

1359
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off right clean off a couple of drops

1360
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CBD grew back it's incredible it's

1361
01:05:18,349 --> 01:05:17,099
incredible it was and it happened quick

1362
01:05:24,009 --> 01:05:18,359
most people didn't even know what

1363
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,019
happened okay we're moving on like

1364
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:26,940
Church you know so check this out and I

1365
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,529
I'm sober I'm drug-free right and and I

1366
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I make jokes about this kind of stuff

1367
01:05:39,170 --> 01:05:36,660
often and just popped the bong joke and

1368
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:39,180
in Twitter now people are showing me

1369
01:05:47,539 --> 01:05:42,930
pictures of people smoking smoking weed

1370
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:47,549
underwater that it can be done someone

1371
01:05:54,199 --> 01:05:49,170
is gonna put it up on YouTube just to

1372
01:05:56,900 --> 01:05:54,209
prove this to you right now oh okay

1373
01:06:00,519 --> 01:05:56,910
here we go let's continue the question

1374
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is so where is et where is everybody

1375
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answer it is the nature of intelligent

1376
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life to destroy itself and then answer

1377
01:06:13,339 --> 01:06:10,589
number two is the answer the nature of

1378
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intelligent life is to destroy others

1379
01:06:20,049 --> 01:06:17,609
now my take on that I need yours of

1380
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,059
course but that is this is derived from

1381
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:22,319
humanity mm-hmm

1382
01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:24,809
well here's the core power that we were

1383
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saying earlier on that one of the

1384
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biggest problems we all have with this

1385
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:30,959
original real life concept where with

1386
01:06:36,979 --> 01:06:33,180
hypothesis is that it's virtually

1387
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impossible to kill off life and you know

1388
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humanity's been around for a million

1389
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years

1390
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we haven't cured ourselves off yet we

1391
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seem to keep growing and prospering

1392
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,450
actually if everyone was alive when this

1393
01:06:49,850 --> 01:06:47,760
concept came up forming himself they

1394
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they just invented the h-bomb him and

1395
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Teller they thought it was very easy to

1396
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believe that life wiped itself out and

1397
01:07:00,920 --> 01:06:59,010
that may indeed be the case but you know

1398
01:07:02,990 --> 01:07:00,930
we get closer and closer to being out in

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space every day so we don't have all our

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eggs in one basket and we still haven't

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blown ourselves up and it doesn't really

1402
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feel like that's too close on the

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horizon for all of us who live back in

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the cord war that that we don't feel as

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endangered as we did then so I that's

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obviously one we can't rule out by any

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means but I find hard to believe that

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all of them do it you know even if we

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assume 90% of them do and I'm a

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technical term is I don't think very

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many of them would but even was 90% even

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was 99% if that's you know a thousand

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civilizations poor galaxies that's still

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ten of them that survived to go on and

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then you know expand out to the galaxies

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right and and the other part of it is an

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dispersed especially with Fermi and

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Teller and the nuclear fear that they

1419
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had understandable but even if we went

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through an arleigh nuclear exchange

1421
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there would be survivors yeah it is it

1422
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is very hard to kill a humanity always

1423
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talk about how tough the cockroach is

1424
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Elisa's it when I was kid nowadays is

1425
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the tardigrade we all talk about right I

1426
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think they overestimate the cockroach

1427
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and underestimate the survivability of

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humans

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I have never figure out a way short of

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sterilizing the entire surface of the

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planet that you can reliably kill off

1432
01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:16,290
all humans in a way that wouldn't have

1433
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:18,750
us back here what about what about what

1434
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about something biological 100% fatality

1435
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rates would require an awful lot of

1436
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engineering we've never pulled that up

1437
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for and even then you'd have people who

1438
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hoard about it spreading or just way out

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on the cabin in the woods some whale and

1440
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they'd all get together afterwards and

1441
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touch each other by hand radio and you

1442
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know make a new civilization at was

1443
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someone would be in a bunk or somewhere

1444
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surviving and some would be naturally

1445
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,259
immune probably yeah we've never had an

1446
01:08:47,599 --> 01:08:45,540
illness that was that effective and I

1447
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:47,609
think something like that mmm the

1448
01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:48,900
technology need to make something like

1449
01:08:52,059 --> 01:08:50,160
that is pretty close to what you need to

1450
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:52,069
fix it I would think too

1451
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,750
and you know you might have one crazy

1452
01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:55,279
lunatic who's a genius putting that

1453
01:08:59,859 --> 01:08:57,409
together but you'd have millions of

1454
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,869
other scientists who had that same level

1455
01:09:04,209 --> 01:09:02,000
of technological access working on a fix

1456
01:09:07,089 --> 01:09:04,219
or preventative measure so it can't be

1457
01:09:09,309 --> 01:09:07,099
ruled out of course but again 99% of

1458
01:09:10,749 --> 01:09:09,319
civilizations might go down that way for

1459
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sadly it'd be less than one but

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someone's was loved and what about the

1461
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,829
second half of this which is it's the

1462
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nature of intelligent life to destroy

1463
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others and certainly with us we we shoot

1464
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first and ask questions later right and

1465
01:09:28,780 --> 01:09:26,619
and I understand this this this concept

1466
01:09:30,370 --> 01:09:28,790
do we I mean they're their business

1467
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notion when we were growing up that

1468
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humanity had wiped out the other species

1469
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like Neanderthal things like that and

1470
01:09:36,910 --> 01:09:35,690
that was a pretty common thought was

1471
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that you know we wiped out the other

1472
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:39,109
hominids a hominid species now it looks

1473
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:40,400
more like we you know bred with a lot of

1474
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,440
them and suddenly we have a long history

1475
01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:45,679
of violence but truth be told most

1476
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interactions between new civilizations

1477
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,190
have just bumped into each other for the

1478
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first time have been fairly peaceful

1479
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:52,670
yeah I mean you have people who will

1480
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trade with other tribes who didn't even

1481
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:55,909
speak the same language they would just

1482
01:09:58,990 --> 01:09:58,070
put stuff on the river shore and the

1483
01:10:00,399 --> 01:09:59,000
other guys would put stuff on the

1484
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wilshire until everyone thought it was

1485
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,730
good and they never said a word to each

1486
01:10:05,770 --> 01:10:03,679
other and they exchanged there's so many

1487
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:05,780
a history of violence with humanity you

1488
01:10:09,939 --> 01:10:07,730
can't hide that can't pretend otherwise

1489
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:09,949
but I think that can get exaggerated a

1490
01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:11,570
little bit time we've tended to be

1491
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:13,060
pretty good at making friends too so

1492
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:16,610
intelligent life would you know

1493
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:18,790
especially much more advanced than us

1494
01:10:24,370 --> 01:10:21,050
wouldn't be out there smoking other

1495
01:10:27,339 --> 01:10:24,380
planets with you know the pulps laser

1496
01:10:28,689 --> 01:10:27,349
cannons one thing we can say with

1497
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:28,699
reasonable certainty about and we can

1498
01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:30,560
never speak with much Saudi about aliens

1499
01:10:33,819 --> 01:10:31,880
period but one of the things we could

1500
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:33,829
say with a certain amount of Saudi is

1501
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that to make a civilization you need to

1502
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:38,510
have some social skills you might be

1503
01:10:43,209 --> 01:10:40,610
hype aggressive and psychotic to some

1504
01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:43,219
degree but you can't push it too far the

1505
01:10:47,589 --> 01:10:44,750
more advanced species on this planet

1506
01:10:50,050 --> 01:10:47,599
types of mammals all social animals they

1507
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:50,060
do well by walking together with their

1508
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:52,790
pack for Humanity the thing that allowed

1509
01:10:56,589 --> 01:10:54,440
us to get technology was he ability to

1510
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:56,599
build big cities full of people you know

1511
01:10:59,859 --> 01:10:58,730
those old portion cities of thousands of

1512
01:11:01,660 --> 01:10:59,869
people would be unthinkable in

1513
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hunter-gatherer or civilization right

1514
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:03,770
everyone was specialized and could you

1515
01:11:07,330 --> 01:11:05,270
know spend the whole life walking on

1516
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:07,340
one trade that's how you get to

1517
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,530
technology I'd have difficulty imagining

1518
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:12,080
when doing that who was openly Jenna

1519
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:13,730
Seidel automatically to everybody it's

1520
01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:17,330
just totally hostile the question is so

1521
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:20,420
where is et where is everybody

1522
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:24,170
answer periodic extinction by natural

1523
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:29,360
events now of course we the inclination

1524
01:11:35,740 --> 01:11:32,060
is to think of earthquakes volcanoes

1525
01:11:39,340 --> 01:11:35,750
hurricanes right asteroids but then

1526
01:11:42,190 --> 01:11:39,350
there's also the star right stars and

1527
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:42,200
and so forth you know solar engagement

1528
01:11:47,860 --> 01:11:45,650
what how do we look at this hasn't

1529
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:47,870
succeeded in wiping out life it's so far

1530
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:50,030
at least not any sort of timeframe that

1531
01:11:55,180 --> 01:11:52,550
would be relevant to the human race like

1532
01:11:57,340 --> 01:11:55,190
we've been around for thousands of years

1533
01:11:59,020 --> 01:11:57,350
of civilization and we'll just about

1534
01:12:01,330 --> 01:11:59,030
immune to these things it's not going to

1535
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:01,340
be much long before we could just you

1536
01:12:05,650 --> 01:12:02,930
know shrug off almost say these things

1537
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:05,660
so statistically we're not an anomaly

1538
01:12:09,070 --> 01:12:07,310
and having survived that long we'd have

1539
01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:09,080
to assume that some plants probably

1540
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:10,430
would get natural disasters that wiped

1541
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:13,010
them out but a lot would not so give me

1542
01:12:16,450 --> 01:12:15,170
hit that issue of exclusivity we cannot

1543
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,460
assume that this is gonna get everybody

1544
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:19,280
and deed to any civilization probably

1545
01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:21,320
beyond by the next century or so if you

1546
01:12:25,870 --> 01:12:23,030
see a big asteroid coming towards your

1547
01:12:27,190 --> 01:12:25,880
planet everyone might stop walking but

1548
01:12:28,570 --> 01:12:27,200
all you go check their stocks for

1549
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:28,580
commodities because it's like free gold

1550
01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:29,870
moving toward your planet you're not

1551
01:12:33,070 --> 01:12:31,550
worried about that hitting you you're a

1552
01:12:35,380 --> 01:12:33,080
way to go work that thing in because

1553
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:35,390
it's free money resources it's full of

1554
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:39,890
diamonds right and and so let's let's

1555
01:12:46,690 --> 01:12:43,490
take this one step further though when

1556
01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:46,700
we look at when we go 65 70 million

1557
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:50,000
years ago asteroid impacts earth wipes

1558
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:53,390
out dinosaurs right and wiped out just

1559
01:12:57,460 --> 01:12:55,130
about everything on this planet ninety

1560
01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:57,470
ninety percent right that's a pretty

1561
01:13:04,450 --> 01:13:00,380
high percentage rate sharks survived

1562
01:13:07,780 --> 01:13:04,460
cockroaches survived but it didn't take

1563
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:07,790
very long for everything to just

1564
01:13:13,630 --> 01:13:10,880
repopulate with new species and it

1565
01:13:15,850 --> 01:13:13,640
happened nearly overnight in in the big

1566
01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:15,860
timescale yeah we can't even say how

1567
01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:17,480
long was because we try to be estimate

1568
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:19,070
these periods there's such a big mole

1569
01:13:23,650 --> 01:13:21,380
they are on both how few fast was we

1570
01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:23,660
have met period and just the time dating

1571
01:13:27,580 --> 01:13:25,820
we do all that that we don't know if

1572
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:27,590
that stuff actually died off then it

1573
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:29,030
might Bend that almost all them didn't

1574
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:31,070
they are pushed off the the hill by

1575
01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:32,690
something else having a chance to rise

1576
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,160
up and displace them and it might have

1577
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:36,080
taken in thousands of years right who

1578
01:13:39,670 --> 01:13:37,610
could easily bend dinosaurs marking on

1579
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:39,680
this planet for several thousand years

1580
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,270
after that event and we wouldn't be able

1581
01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:43,040
to tell from our fossil record because

1582
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,200
we can't date them that accurately and

1583
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:46,880
we just don't have very many dinosaur

1584
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:49,010
fossils especially from that Tyler time

1585
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:52,130
period there so and it takes so little

1586
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:54,530
time for simple life to repopulate the

1587
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:56,930
planet humans and other large animals

1588
01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:58,130
take a little bit of time because we

1589
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,000
breathe slowly

1590
01:14:02,710 --> 01:14:01,040
if you wiped out everything on this

1591
01:14:04,420 --> 01:14:02,720
planet just cure them all or not nothing

1592
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:04,430
changed the plan itself and that's one

1593
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,710
single amoeba the plan will be covered

1594
01:14:10,450 --> 01:14:07,760
again over them in a couple of years

1595
01:14:10,990 --> 01:14:10,460
really just one yeah cuz they divide so

1596
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:11,000
fast

1597
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:15,290
debt we're not talking about DNA we're

1598
01:14:19,330 --> 01:14:16,730
not talking about something with a brain

1599
01:14:21,010 --> 01:14:19,340
we're just talking about life yeah and

1600
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:21,020
you get into something like a cat or dog

1601
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:22,610
you know you got one family a cat a dog

1602
01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:24,050
left over it would only take them a few

1603
01:14:28,510 --> 01:14:26,540
centuries to repopulate the earth back

1604
01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:28,520
to their previous numbers humans a

1605
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:29,960
little bit slow if we knock them down

1606
01:14:33,340 --> 01:14:31,490
that fall but we can double in a

1607
01:14:36,460 --> 01:14:33,350
generation if we need to even more if we

1608
01:14:38,650 --> 01:14:36,470
have to and we quadrupled in what I had

1609
01:14:40,420 --> 01:14:38,660
the last century doesn't take too many

1610
01:14:42,430 --> 01:14:40,430
doublings to get yourself back from a

1611
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:42,440
thousand to a billion yeah that's only

1612
01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:46,190
20 doublings yeah quadruple each time

1613
01:14:50,350 --> 01:14:47,660
five centuries in your back to know more

1614
01:14:53,050 --> 01:14:50,360
right right right right if it flips me

1615
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:53,060
out when we when I look at math that way

1616
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:55,490
you know you take a penny you double it

1617
01:15:00,100 --> 01:14:57,590
in two days you got two pennies and and

1618
01:15:02,740 --> 01:15:00,110
then you've got four pennies and in 30

1619
01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:02,750
days you're worth fifty billion dollars

1620
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:05,390
you know it's just some crazy number but

1621
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,730
okay let's let's continue we got a lot

1622
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:10,640
to cover here the question is so where

1623
01:15:16,420 --> 01:15:12,590
is ET where is everybody

1624
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:16,430
the answer is inflation hypothesis and

1625
01:15:25,450 --> 01:15:22,820
the youngness argument the general idea

1626
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:25,460
that that life might just be Dean's

1627
01:15:29,260 --> 01:15:27,530
daughter now that's you know with all

1628
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:29,270
these civilizations have just popped up

1629
01:15:32,979 --> 01:15:31,370
in the last million years or so doesn't

1630
01:15:34,540 --> 01:15:32,989
hold up to buy our corn

1631
01:15:36,250 --> 01:15:34,550
astronomy and now mind you there's

1632
01:15:37,839 --> 01:15:36,260
always a chance our numbers are off on

1633
01:15:39,370 --> 01:15:37,849
the dating especially at the extra

1634
01:15:41,410 --> 01:15:39,380
galactic scale cuz it's so much harder

1635
01:15:43,779 --> 01:15:41,420
for us get direct measurements right but

1636
01:15:45,339 --> 01:15:43,789
based on what we know you know plants

1637
01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:45,349
they're lucky like oh I'm getting more

1638
01:15:49,660 --> 01:15:47,329
common as time goes on as the

1639
01:15:51,100 --> 01:15:49,670
metallicity of stalls how much stuff

1640
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:51,110
besides hydrogen helium they have in

1641
01:15:55,959 --> 01:15:53,329
them has increased but we can look back

1642
01:15:58,600 --> 01:15:55,969
and see stars are about as metallic as

1643
01:16:00,970 --> 01:15:58,610
our own Sun as far back as 8 or 9

1644
01:16:02,620 --> 01:16:00,980
billion years ago and they were a lot

1645
01:16:04,629 --> 01:16:02,630
less common to be sure but they'd have

1646
01:16:06,339 --> 01:16:04,639
gotten stored then and and then you know

1647
01:16:08,169 --> 01:16:06,349
as time goes on they get more and more

1648
01:16:10,209 --> 01:16:08,179
common but we're still talking about

1649
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:10,219
billions of years timeline when

1650
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,530
realistically you maybe need a million

1651
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:14,960
years to colonize a galaxy and that's

1652
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:16,130
where the know you we were just talking

1653
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:17,690
moment ago about doublings and how it

1654
01:16:21,609 --> 01:16:19,820
kind of breaks the mind right it's so

1655
01:16:23,589 --> 01:16:21,619
easy to look at you know the universe

1656
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:23,599
and say civilizations thousands of years

1657
01:16:26,830 --> 01:16:25,369
older the galaxy might take millions of

1658
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:26,840
years to colonize and the galaxy is

1659
01:16:32,259 --> 01:16:29,570
billions of years old and forget just

1660
01:16:35,109 --> 01:16:32,269
how huge a time gap that really is in

1661
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:35,119
comparison most people don't realize

1662
01:16:42,339 --> 01:16:38,690
because we use you know the word billion

1663
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:42,349
is is everywhere now billionaires are

1664
01:16:46,540 --> 01:16:44,090
everywhere when we were growing up there

1665
01:16:48,609 --> 01:16:46,550
was one billionaire right now there's

1666
01:16:50,799 --> 01:16:48,619
like every single date new billionaire

1667
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:50,809
and if there's three thousand the US

1668
01:16:54,879 --> 01:16:53,690
alone yes it's it's a crazy thing we

1669
01:16:58,359 --> 01:16:54,889
don't understand

1670
01:17:02,620 --> 01:16:58,369
how long it takes to go from 1 million

1671
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:02,630
to 1 billion that that's and then when

1672
01:17:07,899 --> 01:17:04,249
you flip that around and you're going

1673
01:17:10,089 --> 01:17:07,909
from 1 billion to a trillion how many

1674
01:17:11,799 --> 01:17:10,099
millions are involved with these sort of

1675
01:17:14,379 --> 01:17:11,809
those billions and then how many

1676
01:17:18,759 --> 01:17:14,389
billions are involved to accumulate up

1677
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:18,769
to a trillion these are huge huge vast

1678
01:17:23,259 --> 01:17:22,130
numbers that take time to do mm-hmm

1679
01:17:25,419 --> 01:17:23,269
there's a little under a hundred

1680
01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:25,429
thousand seconds in a day if we treat

1681
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,320
the galaxy at ten billion years ago is

1682
01:17:30,850 --> 01:17:28,880
when the earliest rocky plants could

1683
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,860
form and we divide that up by a hundred

1684
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:32,239
thousand equivalent of seconds they are

1685
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:34,760
each of those then would be 10 billion

1686
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,760
be a hundred thousand years hopefully I

1687
01:17:40,330 --> 01:17:39,199
didn't just mess that up that's right

1688
01:17:42,879 --> 01:17:40,340
each of those little increments be a

1689
01:17:44,799 --> 01:17:42,889
hundred thousand years and a hundred

1690
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:44,809
thousand years as one second that means

1691
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:46,940
the entire humanoid species

1692
01:17:52,209 --> 01:17:50,449
FIO ten seconds ago yes lactic day yes

1693
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:52,219
and it means that any species that might

1694
01:17:55,780 --> 01:17:54,110
have arisen could easily have arisen any

1695
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:55,790
time in the a.m period if we're now

1696
01:18:00,490 --> 01:17:58,010
getting close to midnight and they would

1697
01:18:02,380 --> 01:18:00,500
only have needed a couple of minutes to

1698
01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:02,390
colonize the entire galaxy that's right

1699
01:18:09,939 --> 01:18:06,440
and so you could take a slice about the

1700
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:09,949
thickness of a business card in that

1701
01:18:15,670 --> 01:18:13,310
time scale right and slice it up and

1702
01:18:17,290 --> 01:18:15,680
something could have come and gone yeah

1703
01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:17,300
you would just completely have missed it

1704
01:18:20,260 --> 01:18:18,380
but of course that's assuming they

1705
01:18:22,930 --> 01:18:20,270
didn't stick around that's right and

1706
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,940
that it's it's a mind-blowing concept

1707
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:25,040
and I use it a lot I try to get as

1708
01:18:30,670 --> 01:18:28,400
visual as I can with it just like you

1709
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:30,680
just explained it and that's because I

1710
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:32,510
stole it from you let's go to the next

1711
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:37,010
one okay question so where is et where

1712
01:18:42,850 --> 01:18:38,840
is everybody

1713
01:18:47,140 --> 01:18:42,860
answer intelligent civilizations are too

1714
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:47,150
far apart in space and time you've spent

1715
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:51,910
a lot a lot of time no pun intended on

1716
01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:55,760
this subject and this answer so let's

1717
01:19:00,490 --> 01:18:58,040
let's pick this apart a little bit how

1718
01:19:03,370 --> 01:19:00,500
much how much how much distance are we

1719
01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:03,380
talking about in space and time well it

1720
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:05,180
always comes down to how Vale was saying

1721
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,010
this life is and then this what kind of

1722
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:08,960
argument kind of falls back to the

1723
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,489
available of hypotheses to begin with

1724
01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:12,320
because if they're popping up in almost

1725
01:19:16,540 --> 01:19:14,660
every solar system then you don't have

1726
01:19:17,620 --> 01:19:16,550
this you should to begin with but it you

1727
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:17,630
have to assume some amount of ability

1728
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:19,370
for this argument to make sense in the

1729
01:19:22,990 --> 01:19:21,440
first place is to say they don't exist

1730
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:23,000
or they don't exist very long and they

1731
01:19:27,790 --> 01:19:25,010
don't pop up much and I say we couldn't

1732
01:19:29,950 --> 01:19:27,800
possibly have heard them and the problem

1733
01:19:31,930 --> 01:19:29,960
is that while it's very hard to hear our

1734
01:19:35,709 --> 01:19:31,940
radio signals even with all really good

1735
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:35,719
telescopes one star system over it is so

1736
01:19:39,310 --> 01:19:37,820
easy for a spacefaring civilization just

1737
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,320
inside our own solar system to build

1738
01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:41,840
some gigantic solar powered radio that

1739
01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:43,940
you could hear across the galaxy mm-hmm

1740
01:19:47,740 --> 01:19:45,920
and it's also very easy to potentially

1741
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:47,750
build telescopes because actually easier

1742
01:19:53,650 --> 01:19:50,000
to build telescopes in space that all

1743
01:19:55,330 --> 01:19:53,660
just kilometres cost giant giant dishes

1744
01:19:57,790 --> 01:19:55,340
no gravity or wind messing up your

1745
01:19:59,229 --> 01:19:57,800
ability to build them huge so you've got

1746
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:59,239
the ability to make really loud systems

1747
01:20:02,260 --> 01:20:00,080
and to

1748
01:20:04,150 --> 01:20:02,270
once though very sensitive so you could

1749
01:20:06,670 --> 01:20:04,160
hear them the question is can you hear

1750
01:20:08,230 --> 01:20:06,680
them before they stop transmitting and

1751
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:08,240
that goes back to that question of why

1752
01:20:11,860 --> 01:20:10,370
do they stop transmitting and of course

1753
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,870
it goes to the for the problem which is

1754
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,280
this assumption that foam you ate

1755
01:20:17,860 --> 01:20:15,440
himself was that interstellar travel is

1756
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:17,870
impossible he just assumed that this was

1757
01:20:22,570 --> 01:20:20,090
1950s that we would never figure out a

1758
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:22,580
way to travel to other solar systems so

1759
01:20:25,570 --> 01:20:24,290
a lot of what we do on the channel in

1760
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:25,580
science fiction everyone soon as you get

1761
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:27,290
an FTL ship and you can do it that way

1762
01:20:30,490 --> 01:20:28,490
and then makes things great you got a

1763
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:30,500
warp drive on the channel we try to

1764
01:20:34,030 --> 01:20:32,210
focus on assume we never get that

1765
01:20:36,130 --> 01:20:34,040
assuming were limited to just the

1766
01:20:38,650 --> 01:20:36,140
science we have right now could you

1767
01:20:40,780 --> 01:20:38,660
colonize the galaxy and all evidences

1768
01:20:42,370 --> 01:20:40,790
yeah you absolutely could if you can get

1769
01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:42,380
a good infrastructure into orbit around

1770
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:44,390
Earth you don't need a single new

1771
01:20:48,970 --> 01:20:46,130
technological development in terms of

1772
01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:48,980
propulsion to build gigantic meals and

1773
01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:50,510
lasers that will let you push ships up

1774
01:20:54,220 --> 01:20:52,310
and Espino to relativistic speed to get

1775
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:54,230
to other star systems there's a lot of

1776
01:20:57,220 --> 01:20:55,370
technology that would make that a lot

1777
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:57,230
easier and more functional but you can

1778
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:59,120
do it at that point you don't need truly

1779
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,520
advanced technology right so how can

1780
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:03,440
they be that rail if you can do space

1781
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:05,690
travel the argument that we can't hear

1782
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:07,610
them has to assume they don't last very

1783
01:21:14,710 --> 01:21:10,130
long and they can't do space travel now

1784
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:14,720
what about this this concept I need you

1785
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:17,720
to help me understand this with the

1786
01:21:26,730 --> 01:21:22,250
projection of those radio telescopes and

1787
01:21:31,150 --> 01:21:26,740
the ability to get this information out

1788
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:31,160
does it have to be laser-focused towards

1789
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:35,120
Earth or does it permeate in a 360

1790
01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:39,650
degree universe worldview well there was

1791
01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:41,240
a thought that when you're trying to

1792
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:42,950
send messages to another solar system

1793
01:21:46,270 --> 01:21:44,330
you want to condense that beam up as

1794
01:21:47,650 --> 01:21:46,280
much as possible Manley's those know

1795
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,660
things like that do not actually stay as

1796
01:21:51,310 --> 01:21:49,280
a tight zone well they do spread out

1797
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,320
same as normal omnidirectional waves

1798
01:21:55,570 --> 01:21:53,360
eventually yes they do do it a lot more

1799
01:21:57,220 --> 01:21:55,580
slowly as a walk right but an

1800
01:21:59,410 --> 01:21:57,230
omnidirectional signal is not very

1801
01:22:02,140 --> 01:21:59,420
efficient for broadcasting galaxy-wide

1802
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:02,150
that's got two problems with though the

1803
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:04,010
forced is if you're trying to talk to

1804
01:22:07,090 --> 01:22:05,210
everyone an omnidirectional signal

1805
01:22:09,810 --> 01:22:07,100
probably is easier than trying to target

1806
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:09,820
a billion individual beams two locations

1807
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:13,760
and you have the entire output of a Sun

1808
01:22:17,500 --> 01:22:15,890
to walk with if you meet it if you right

1809
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,510
there it's they or you can make giant

1810
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:20,239
solar panels to power thing and that's

1811
01:22:23,950 --> 01:22:22,610
more than loud enough that's many orders

1812
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:23,960
of magnitude more energy than you need

1813
01:22:28,420 --> 01:22:25,370
to produce a radio signal you could hear

1814
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,430
galaxy-wide on a normal radio sitting on

1815
01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:30,560
the ground and then the other part about

1816
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:32,420
that is the one thing you absolutely

1817
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:34,310
would want to always do omnidirectional

1818
01:22:37,930 --> 01:22:37,130
e and not encrypt it we say we might not

1819
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:37,940
be able to hear them because they

1820
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:39,110
encrypt everything or they use

1821
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:41,060
point-to-point transmissions like lasers

1822
01:22:45,340 --> 01:22:42,770
right right one thing you always

1823
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:45,350
transmit omnidirectional e is the time

1824
01:22:48,490 --> 01:22:47,690
code the GPS the galactic positioning

1825
01:22:50,740 --> 01:22:48,500
system

1826
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:50,750
people are gonna need to know where are

1827
01:22:55,090 --> 01:22:52,610
they all located exactly and neutron

1828
01:22:56,710 --> 01:22:55,100
stars are not good enough to really give

1829
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:56,720
you an exact focus we talked about using

1830
01:23:00,460 --> 01:22:58,970
postholes to do fixes and you can do

1831
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:00,470
that it won't give you the accuracy that

1832
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,290
you want you're going to have a big loud

1833
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:05,600
signal that just broadcasts a one over

1834
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:05,989
again

1835
01:23:11,170 --> 01:23:09,710
the time is 12:01 p.m. and that's

1836
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:11,180
whatever and you don't care if that's

1837
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:13,070
going fast tonight you want it to go at

1838
01:23:16,570 --> 01:23:15,050
relativistic normal speeds because

1839
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:16,580
that's what people use to figure out

1840
01:23:25,150 --> 01:23:19,690
where you are right right right now

1841
01:23:27,250 --> 01:23:25,160
let's let's jump right to the the next

1842
01:23:29,229 --> 01:23:27,260
answer and the question is of course

1843
01:23:32,590 --> 01:23:29,239
where is et where is everybody

1844
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:32,600
and the answer to this one we're gonna

1845
01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:34,970
spend a lot of time on again which is

1846
01:23:40,900 --> 01:23:37,940
the lack of resources to spread

1847
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:40,910
physically throughout the galaxy and

1848
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:43,610
before you answer let me let me pop this

1849
01:23:49,090 --> 01:23:47,360
in there I look at our planet because

1850
01:23:50,500 --> 01:23:49,100
when somebody hears this answer they

1851
01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:50,510
think well you know we have a hard time

1852
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:52,100
getting oil out of the ground we have a

1853
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,710
hard time gold is rare you know we have

1854
01:24:00,100 --> 01:23:56,960
to manufacture steel and we have

1855
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:00,110
problems in with resources here for our

1856
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:04,850
own infrastructure we don't have a an

1857
01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:06,530
orbiting space station we haven't

1858
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:08,540
colonized the moon it takes a lot of

1859
01:24:12,700 --> 01:24:09,800
resources to do that

1860
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:12,710
so they understand this point really

1861
01:24:19,780 --> 01:24:16,010
quickly but you've got a counter to this

1862
01:24:21,670 --> 01:24:19,790
answer which I think is is amazing there

1863
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:21,680
is a ton of resource in the solar system

1864
01:24:25,390 --> 01:24:23,630
earth has a very big share the easy

1865
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:25,400
accessible ones but the easiest ones

1866
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:27,000
access are things like Astro

1867
01:24:30,410 --> 01:24:28,860
it's we live at the bottom of gravity

1868
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:30,420
well that makes it hard to get that off

1869
01:24:33,650 --> 01:24:32,340
there as does a full place like Mars or

1870
01:24:36,260 --> 01:24:33,660
Jupiter where they have tons of

1871
01:24:38,060 --> 01:24:36,270
resources but our biggest problem

1872
01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:38,070
getting resources on earth besides

1873
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:39,960
things like oil which are biological in

1874
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:41,130
nature so we wouldn't find them too much

1875
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:44,310
in space is that we live on top of all

1876
01:24:48,230 --> 01:24:46,290
those resources so to get at them we

1877
01:24:50,150 --> 01:24:48,240
have to dig up a lot of stuff including

1878
01:24:51,860 --> 01:24:50,160
valuable real estate when you're up in

1879
01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:51,870
space will be on some asteroid a few

1880
01:24:54,980 --> 01:24:52,980
kilometres across

1881
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:54,990
you can disassemble that whole thing and

1882
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:57,330
your typical metallic asteroid is going

1883
01:25:01,880 --> 01:24:59,940
to have more Iowan in it then we've

1884
01:25:05,090 --> 01:25:01,890
produced in like an entire century it's

1885
01:25:05,810 --> 01:25:05,100
a cubic kilometer of ion you do that's a

1886
01:25:08,180 --> 01:25:05,820
lot of metal

1887
01:25:10,100 --> 01:25:08,190
most of those large or medium range

1888
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,110
asteroids have enough metals in them

1889
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:12,960
develop easily accesible to build

1890
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:15,420
aircraft size carry o starships by the

1891
01:25:20,810 --> 01:25:18,210
billion you will need to exhaust one of

1892
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:20,820
those okay hold on hold on how galaxies

1893
01:25:27,020 --> 01:25:23,490
all arm pump the brakes there Isaac

1894
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:27,030
repeat what you just said your typical

1895
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:29,370
asteroid medium-scale one is going to

1896
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:30,570
have enough metals in it to make

1897
01:25:34,100 --> 01:25:31,530
something the size of an aircraft

1898
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,110
carrier or spaceship that size a billion

1899
01:25:38,810 --> 01:25:36,480
times over again so enough to send one

1900
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:38,820
to every single star system in this

1901
01:25:43,220 --> 01:25:40,920
galaxy and there was enough resources in

1902
01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:43,230
this solar system ease the accessible

1903
01:25:48,050 --> 01:25:45,270
resources to be able to build whole

1904
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:48,060
fleets of these for every single star

1905
01:25:52,730 --> 01:25:51,210
system out there and so and you don't

1906
01:25:53,930 --> 01:25:52,740
have to go to those other distant star

1907
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,940
systems you can stop your nearest

1908
01:25:57,860 --> 01:25:55,860
neighbor and grab more resources and

1909
01:26:00,110 --> 01:25:57,870
spread out from there and you would only

1910
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:00,120
have scratched the resources in the

1911
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:02,490
solar system by doing that it's a scale

1912
01:26:07,370 --> 01:26:05,010
thing the solar system and the earth for

1913
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:07,380
that matter is so enormous compared to

1914
01:26:11,900 --> 01:26:09,300
what we think of as the earth we live in

1915
01:26:14,330 --> 01:26:11,910
a tiny tiny door like oil coating of

1916
01:26:16,970 --> 01:26:14,340
around the surface of this planet it's a

1917
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:16,980
couple kilometers the planets thousands

1918
01:26:22,490 --> 01:26:19,710
of cloud was wide so our solution is the

1919
01:26:24,350 --> 01:26:22,500
asteroid belt that's the easiest ones to

1920
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,360
get at they don't have that much the

1921
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:26,400
asteroid belt in its entirety has less

1922
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:28,530
materials than the moon it's in fact the

1923
01:26:30,860 --> 01:26:29,610
difference between the moon and the

1924
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,870
earth is about same as the moon in the

1925
01:26:34,730 --> 01:26:32,880
asteroid belt very small amount of metal

1926
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:34,740
sail but compared to what we normally

1927
01:26:38,490 --> 01:26:37,530
use here on earth it's staggering it's

1928
01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:38,500
huge

1929
01:26:42,540 --> 01:26:40,240
you know we talked about megatons of

1930
01:26:48,570 --> 01:26:42,550
steel production forget that the earth

1931
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:48,580
is a billion trillion tons of mass right

1932
01:26:55,650 --> 01:26:53,650
and the you don't have to this is the

1933
01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:55,660
other point with this is it's getting it

1934
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:57,310
off of the earth you got to get it out

1935
01:27:00,300 --> 01:26:58,690
of the earth first

1936
01:27:02,940 --> 01:27:00,310
yeah but then you've got to get it off

1937
01:27:06,180 --> 01:27:02,950
planet right you've got to get it up

1938
01:27:08,490 --> 01:27:06,190
into Earth orbit low Earth orbit to

1939
01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:08,500
start to build these ships or to the

1940
01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:10,420
moon a funny thing is in many cases

1941
01:27:13,980 --> 01:27:12,040
gonna be easier to get material back

1942
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:13,990
from the asteroid belt on the moon into

1943
01:27:16,830 --> 01:27:15,610
orbit around Earth then is to get up

1944
01:27:19,260 --> 01:27:16,840
from Earth when it's only a hundred

1945
01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:19,270
kilometers away so 100 million

1946
01:27:23,310 --> 01:27:21,400
kilometers away pick up an asteroid and

1947
01:27:24,690 --> 01:27:23,320
bring it back to orbit around or easier

1948
01:27:28,410 --> 01:27:24,700
than you might go to bring a mountain up

1949
01:27:31,170 --> 01:27:28,420
far more and there was only about 1% of

1950
01:27:33,180 --> 01:27:31,180
1% of the material in the asteroid belt

1951
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:33,190
that the earth has but it's still

1952
01:27:39,930 --> 01:27:36,250
millions of times what we normally use

1953
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:39,940
so what et would be doing is out there

1954
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,340
with their interstellar craft would be

1955
01:27:47,490 --> 01:27:44,800
seeking out asteroids they wouldn't

1956
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:47,500
necessarily be looking for planets that

1957
01:27:51,650 --> 01:27:49,450
wouldn't necessarily be a first choice

1958
01:27:54,210 --> 01:27:51,660
would it that would be able to find

1959
01:27:56,130 --> 01:27:54,220
plants have no value at all to a

1960
01:27:59,160 --> 01:27:56,140
civilization unless they were interested

1961
01:28:00,840 --> 01:27:59,170
in the biology on them and you know if

1962
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:00,850
you want that biology or that alt and

1963
01:28:04,230 --> 01:28:02,410
culture that say oh they're great but

1964
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:04,240
otherwise a planet is just one big

1965
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:05,920
lumberyard that's in conveniently

1966
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:07,810
located far from the exit ramp but you

1967
01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:09,370
go for the asteroids forced then you go

1968
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:10,540
for the moons then you go for the

1969
01:28:14,370 --> 01:28:12,670
planets then you go for the Sun itself

1970
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:14,380
and usually you can get a lot of metal

1971
01:28:18,630 --> 01:28:15,610
out of the Sun if you want to a

1972
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:18,640
lumberyard I like that ok and also

1973
01:28:26,910 --> 01:28:24,730
there's one other point water we're sure

1974
01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:26,920
we've gotten a lot of water on this

1975
01:28:31,020 --> 01:28:28,780
planet but there's a lot of water just

1976
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:31,030
floating around in space floating around

1977
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:32,170
in space you don't have to go to a

1978
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:34,780
planet earth is unique in the inner

1979
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,820
solar system and it has large amounts of

1980
01:28:40,290 --> 01:28:38,560
accessible water that's real and you

1981
01:28:41,670 --> 01:28:40,300
know solar system because hydrogen is we

1982
01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:41,680
only know solar system but it's the most

1983
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:43,510
plentiful stuff in the universe and the

1984
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:44,770
third most plentiful stuff in the

1985
01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:47,650
universe is oxygen and they are they are

1986
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:49,510
quasars out there that push out entire

1987
01:28:55,229 --> 01:28:52,210
planets worth of water they just whatõs

1988
01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:55,239
was the only place that's real is in the

1989
01:28:59,130 --> 01:28:57,190
inner solar system neo stall as well it

1990
01:29:01,650 --> 01:28:59,140
tends to get blown away I need to take a

1991
01:29:04,590 --> 01:29:01,660
break right here Isaac Isaac Arthur is

1992
01:29:06,510 --> 01:29:04,600
our guest we are discussing the Fermi

1993
01:29:08,910 --> 01:29:06,520
paradox and we are about halfway through

1994
01:29:10,860 --> 01:29:08,920
Isaac we're doing pretty good here we're

1995
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:10,870
doing pretty good we're burning with

1996
01:29:13,979 --> 01:29:12,400
gasoline no pun intended

1997
01:29:16,860 --> 01:29:13,989
it's fade to black on the GameChanger

1998
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:16,870
network and kgr a the planet stay with

1999
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:32,120
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2000
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:35,300
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2001
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2072
01:33:04,540 --> 01:32:59,750
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2073
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:04,550
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2074
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01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:09,590
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2077
01:33:58,320 --> 01:33:56,250
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2078
01:33:59,700 --> 01:33:58,330
welcome back fade to black I'm the host

2079
01:34:02,580 --> 01:33:59,710
Jimmy church tonight

2080
01:34:04,410 --> 01:34:02,590
Isaac Arthur is here we're discussing

2081
01:34:06,590 --> 01:34:04,420
the Fermi paradox

2082
01:34:09,900 --> 01:34:06,600
we're gonna go top to bottom tonight

2083
01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:09,910
tomorrow night's is Fator night it's

2084
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:11,710
open lines all night long and serene

2085
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a'right Taylor and Douglas Taylor are

2086
01:34:18,540 --> 01:34:15,670
going to be here to hang out too as well

2087
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:18,550
to kick off the evening so tomorrow

2088
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:21,370
night open lines Isaac let's continue

2089
01:34:28,290 --> 01:34:25,390
with the question and answer the Fermi

2090
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:28,300
paradox question is of course with all

2091
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:31,360
of this action going on in our galaxy in

2092
01:34:34,230 --> 01:34:33,280
the Milky Way with all these planets all

2093
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:34,240
these stars

2094
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:36,850
there must be something out there so

2095
01:34:45,740 --> 01:34:41,050
where is et where is everybody that's

2096
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:45,750
the question the next answer is lack of

2097
01:34:54,050 --> 01:34:49,110
resources oh I'm sorry it's cheaper to

2098
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:54,060
transfer information for exploration

2099
01:34:57,870 --> 01:34:56,080
well the problem with transferring

2100
01:35:00,210 --> 01:34:57,880
information is you need a receiver on

2101
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:00,220
the other ends and the other point thing

2102
01:35:03,420 --> 01:35:01,570
is it introduces a false dichotomy

2103
01:35:05,900 --> 01:35:03,430
there's this notion that you might send

2104
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:05,910
signal as information but you can send

2105
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:08,410
information and that information can be

2106
01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:10,480
a person it could be an artificial

2107
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:12,520
intelligence it might be their

2108
01:35:16,440 --> 01:35:14,170
civilization doesn't even draw a line

2109
01:35:19,290 --> 01:35:16,450
between those things so you might have

2110
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:19,300
these probes whose only job is to arrive

2111
01:35:23,130 --> 01:35:21,970
at a location and scan buys the scene it

2112
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,140
and they say oh the Sabine teresting

2113
01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:25,600
here and so a follow-up Pope stops they

2114
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:27,880
oh and it builds a big receiver and you

2115
01:35:31,410 --> 01:35:29,710
transmit in your science team or they're

2116
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:31,420
just stored there as a drawer kyv on

2117
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:34,570
board that ship to begin with right what

2118
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:36,130
they've been doing that I think they do

2119
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:39,370
that every day if they do they you know

2120
01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:40,570
that's one of the things where is the

2121
01:35:44,220 --> 01:35:42,280
receiver at we might be looking for that

2122
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:44,230
and it'll be hard to find us you know if

2123
01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:45,610
they were actually a big receiver unlike

2124
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:47,110
the dark side of the moon for instance

2125
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:49,600
we probably picked that up by now but

2126
01:35:52,860 --> 01:35:51,130
there's a lot of places that you could

2127
01:35:54,450 --> 01:35:52,870
hide from us in the solar system if

2128
01:35:56,100 --> 01:35:54,460
you're doing something like that and of

2129
01:35:57,810 --> 01:35:56,110
course that implies there monitoring so

2130
01:35:59,760 --> 01:35:57,820
that one's not really a good solution

2131
01:36:01,200 --> 01:35:59,770
not because it's not viable but because

2132
01:36:02,820 --> 01:36:01,210
it more or less falls in the categories

2133
01:36:04,380 --> 01:36:02,830
the other ones that's just the way

2134
01:36:06,030 --> 01:36:04,390
they'd be doing it we're saying they'll

2135
01:36:07,370 --> 01:36:06,040
post biological they send people

2136
01:36:10,899 --> 01:36:07,380
digitally or they

2137
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:10,909
we teleport them right right but but

2138
01:36:18,379 --> 01:36:13,710
they know that at wright-patt

2139
01:36:19,879 --> 01:36:18,389
I guarantee see this is this is what and

2140
01:36:24,860 --> 01:36:19,889
you and I have talked about this and

2141
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:24,870
let's be very clear here that the forget

2142
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:26,570
about the gray goo fridge is

2143
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:28,650
self-replicating you know let's just put

2144
01:36:34,100 --> 01:36:31,440
all of that aside but jumping from

2145
01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:34,110
planet to planet and from solar system

2146
01:36:39,010 --> 01:36:36,270
the solar system with probes out there

2147
01:36:41,419 --> 01:36:39,020
exploring where you're not wasting

2148
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:41,429
biological life or building you know

2149
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:44,130
generational ships and so forth that is

2150
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:46,590
the way to get it done that's what we

2151
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:49,250
are attempting to do right now right

2152
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:51,570
we're doing that in our own solar system

2153
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:57,360
right now opportunity died today right

2154
01:37:01,220 --> 01:37:00,000
there man oops right all right people

2155
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:01,230
will say oh that's got to be a solution

2156
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:03,690
when those unmanned probes this has one

2157
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:06,090
fatal flaw to it it does walk the system

2158
01:37:09,620 --> 01:37:07,710
the palm is that's not actually as

2159
01:37:11,419 --> 01:37:09,630
advantageous as most people think it

2160
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:11,429
does have an edge but it's actually a

2161
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,650
fairly minimal edge so it's some other

2162
01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:15,600
things where if you want to do it either

2163
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:17,219
way you go with the one you prefer to

2164
01:37:21,530 --> 01:37:19,170
use right now we have a big problem

2165
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:21,540
keeping people alive in space we're not

2166
01:37:24,350 --> 01:37:23,010
gonna be launching car emissions until

2167
01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:24,360
we've got that late in the first place

2168
01:37:29,570 --> 01:37:27,480
right but if you try to send a probe out

2169
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:29,580
the only real advantage because it still

2170
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:31,650
has to stop at the other end is that it

2171
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:33,630
could accelerate and decelerate faster

2172
01:37:37,490 --> 01:37:35,489
well you really don't spend that much

2173
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:37,500
time accelerating or decelerating on

2174
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:39,210
interstellar trips because you get up to

2175
01:37:43,070 --> 01:37:41,310
speed and you know even for a biological

2176
01:37:45,260 --> 01:37:43,080
life-form we're gonna do in 1g of

2177
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:45,270
acceleration you up to neo Lightspeed

2178
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:47,250
after just one year of acceleration and

2179
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:48,570
that's how it takes you slow down too

2180
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:50,610
and you still have to slow down the

2181
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,290
other side these space probes don't get

2182
01:37:55,580 --> 01:37:54,239
to magically you know going to orbit

2183
01:37:57,500 --> 01:37:55,590
around a planet they have to slow down

2184
01:38:00,560 --> 01:37:57,510
and they have to slow down even do a

2185
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:00,570
decent flyby because it takes time with

2186
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:02,550
anything like that to actually get a

2187
01:38:07,700 --> 01:38:05,010
good photograph these exposure time it

2188
01:38:08,810 --> 01:38:07,710
flies through some solar system at you

2189
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,820
know nearly the speed of light

2190
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:11,280
it's only got a few hours to survey that

2191
01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:13,530
place and it's gonna have Hubble level

2192
01:38:17,810 --> 01:38:16,500
stuff just to get a decent picture not a

2193
01:38:20,030 --> 01:38:17,820
good picture you know just be able to

2194
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:20,040
get like one there you can tell that

2195
01:38:24,169 --> 01:38:21,090
Mars has constant

2196
01:38:27,410 --> 01:38:24,179
oh sure and they don't want to stop I

2197
01:38:31,700 --> 01:38:27,420
totally get that I totally get that but

2198
01:38:34,990 --> 01:38:31,710
I cannot escape from and I will not back

2199
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:35,000
off of this thought that there has to be

2200
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:38,130
there it's not like there might be there

2201
01:38:43,939 --> 01:38:41,760
has to be literally tens of thousands of

2202
01:38:47,660 --> 01:38:43,949
intelligent civilizations out here that

2203
01:38:50,990 --> 01:38:47,670
are building self-replicating probes

2204
01:38:53,209 --> 01:38:51,000
that are out scanning the universe

2205
01:38:55,729 --> 01:38:53,219
mapping it and just checking out to see

2206
01:38:58,129 --> 01:38:55,739
what is cool that is it I won't accept

2207
01:38:59,540 --> 01:38:58,139
anything else and would tickets are

2208
01:39:01,129 --> 01:38:59,550
given that that's the full step that's

2209
01:39:03,290 --> 01:39:01,139
what I would do I'd send out a series of

2210
01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:03,300
self up game pose with very limited

2211
01:39:06,649 --> 01:39:05,340
intelligence dumb within door knobs like

2212
01:39:07,939 --> 01:39:06,659
they might be a threat if you don't want

2213
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:07,949
to send out really advanced probes or

2214
01:39:12,169 --> 01:39:10,530
you might decide to come home but then

2215
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:12,179
the follow-up on that is you've got

2216
01:39:16,729 --> 01:39:13,440
these probes that can build more

2217
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:16,739
themselves around other star systems if

2218
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,449
you've got that it's even easier to tell

2219
01:39:22,250 --> 01:39:20,400
those probes to go pinpoint that

2220
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:22,260
asteroid in your own solar system and

2221
01:39:26,419 --> 01:39:24,570
say make me a gigantic spaceship I can

2222
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,429
put people on board sure the same

2223
01:39:29,870 --> 01:39:28,560
technology yes it's the same thing it's

2224
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:29,880
the same thing there's there's no

2225
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:32,730
question about it and that's why when I

2226
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:35,040
go out and I'm seeing the things that

2227
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:37,290
I'm seeing and then others are seeing

2228
01:39:41,149 --> 01:39:39,810
too as well this is not you know I'm not

2229
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:41,159
the only person in the world that's out

2230
01:39:44,540 --> 01:39:42,719
there with night vision goggles and

2231
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:44,550
wondering what the heck is flying up

2232
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:47,280
there in the dark I see it myself and I

2233
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:51,230
just have to you know most of it is ours

2234
01:39:56,689 --> 01:39:54,690
okay I get that part of it but it's the

2235
01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:56,699
is the one or two or three or four

2236
01:40:02,149 --> 01:39:58,440
things that you see in a night that you

2237
01:40:04,879 --> 01:40:02,159
cannot explain and I'm just naturally

2238
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:04,889
think that that's that's drawn me yeah I

2239
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:06,420
mean there we always come across things

2240
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:07,080
we can't explain

2241
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:08,820
sometimes we explain them with natural

2242
01:40:11,629 --> 01:40:10,110
solutions we got a lot of things we've

2243
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:11,639
been sitting on for you know a good

2244
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:13,770
century that we haven't gotten entirely

2245
01:40:17,450 --> 01:40:15,360
good solutions to yet and we got plenty

2246
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,460
we have so we never say that these

2247
01:40:20,270 --> 01:40:18,960
things cannot go at least we should not

2248
01:40:22,129 --> 01:40:20,280
be saying that these things cannot be

2249
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,139
intelligent we always want to go out the

2250
01:40:25,010 --> 01:40:23,760
checklist though and try to rule out all

2251
01:40:27,709 --> 01:40:25,020
the natural ones because they teach us

2252
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:27,719
science and you know that's that's how

2253
01:40:30,979 --> 01:40:29,730
when alone these things but any number

2254
01:40:32,379 --> 01:40:30,989
these things you know if someone tells

2255
01:40:34,970 --> 01:40:32,389
me I don't know what that is in the sky

2256
01:40:36,860 --> 01:40:34,980
what's the answer anybody gives that's

2257
01:40:38,630 --> 01:40:36,870
good and so is well let's find out I

2258
01:40:41,780 --> 01:40:38,640
know I know I can't assume what it is

2259
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:41,790
you find out what I can't wait until one

2260
01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:43,050
night you're gonna come out with us

2261
01:40:48,650 --> 01:40:44,910
right we're gonna go out and we're just

2262
01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:48,660
gonna hang out and imagine this for a

2263
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:50,820
second I'm gonna give you 30 seconds and

2264
01:40:56,030 --> 01:40:53,280
we got to get to the next question is

2265
01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:56,040
this imagine you and I standing with a

2266
01:41:00,050 --> 01:40:58,200
group of people let's say 20 people and

2267
01:41:02,630 --> 01:41:00,060
we're standing there and we're looking

2268
01:41:06,350 --> 01:41:02,640
up at the stars and then in front of you

2269
01:41:10,490 --> 01:41:06,360
taking up above you at 12 o'clock taking

2270
01:41:13,310 --> 01:41:10,500
up 60 degrees of the sky right as far

2271
01:41:15,820 --> 01:41:13,320
apart as you can put your your your

2272
01:41:18,860 --> 01:41:15,830
hands right your hands three feet apart

2273
01:41:24,430 --> 01:41:18,870
above you at about five thousand feet

2274
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:24,440
and then suddenly an aquamarine ball

2275
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:28,560
sputters lights up in and in two seconds

2276
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:33,090
two goes from right to left

2277
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:37,410
stops goes down and zags and then

2278
01:41:44,390 --> 01:41:41,040
continues and does a backwards Z in the

2279
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:44,400
sky sputters out flashes its high beams

2280
01:41:50,060 --> 01:41:47,850
and then flies away just like a SAP

2281
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:50,070
now you're gonna you're gonna turn

2282
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,810
you're gonna turn to me and go well that

2283
01:41:56,770 --> 01:41:54,480
wasn't a meteor that wasn't a satellite

2284
01:42:00,410 --> 01:41:56,780
that wasn't a plane that wasn't a

2285
01:42:02,750 --> 01:42:00,420
helicopter that wasn't a rocket that was

2286
01:42:05,330 --> 01:42:02,760
I don't know what the hell that was

2287
01:42:08,030 --> 01:42:05,340
Jimmy and and so when you see something

2288
01:42:11,090 --> 01:42:08,040
like that that's what I'm saying I'm not

2289
01:42:14,060 --> 01:42:11,100
talking about any kind of natural no it

2290
01:42:15,740 --> 01:42:14,070
is something that you you Isaac will

2291
01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:15,750
have problems with and it's a

2292
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:18,390
life-changing event I don't doubt it

2293
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:20,370
and somebody see something like that the

2294
01:42:24,410 --> 01:42:21,930
core thing that having which we think is

2295
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:24,420
let's find out what that is and we don't

2296
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:26,130
go with any preconceptions it may be

2297
01:42:29,690 --> 01:42:28,320
it's artificial maybe it's natural we

2298
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:29,700
don't want to assume either one the

2299
01:42:34,070 --> 01:42:31,110
skeptic can get in the habit of just

2300
01:42:36,140 --> 01:42:34,080
saying this must be natural and that's

2301
01:42:37,670 --> 01:42:36,150
in many ways just as bad reasoning as to

2302
01:42:39,710 --> 01:42:37,680
simply assume automatically and that it

2303
01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:39,720
must be artificial absolutely the truth

2304
01:42:43,100 --> 01:42:41,430
is what the truth is you find out what

2305
01:42:45,110 --> 01:42:43,110
it is and you never go into these things

2306
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:45,120
just assuming it's got to be X Y or Z

2307
01:42:49,139 --> 01:42:46,650
and we're all guilty of doing that it's

2308
01:42:51,239 --> 01:42:49,149
so easy from either angle these

2309
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,249
have it want to be what it is that you

2310
01:42:56,759 --> 01:42:54,159
want to be and the real science is never

2311
01:42:58,619 --> 01:42:56,769
know and what it is it's saying what the

2312
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:58,629
heck was that that was surprising you

2313
01:43:01,589 --> 01:42:59,679
know that's what you go to find out

2314
01:43:03,899 --> 01:43:01,599
these new things from yeah with that

2315
01:43:06,959 --> 01:43:03,909
what I just described to you happened

2316
01:43:09,179 --> 01:43:06,969
with 200 people and we were all standing

2317
01:43:12,569 --> 01:43:09,189
there we all saw it and we all screamed

2318
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:12,579
at the same time and and I'm not going

2319
01:43:18,330 --> 01:43:14,649
to take that experience away from

2320
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:18,340
anybody I need to continue to talk about

2321
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:20,530
it because I can't explain it Arthur

2322
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:22,570
I keep saying Arthur I have a cousin

2323
01:43:29,399 --> 01:43:27,090
Arthur Arthur in the front of my brain

2324
01:43:31,020 --> 01:43:29,409
I can't explain it

2325
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:31,030
Isak okay let's go to the next one here

2326
01:43:37,399 --> 01:43:35,199
we go all right question so where is et

2327
01:43:42,359 --> 01:43:37,409
where is everybody

2328
01:43:46,139 --> 01:43:42,369
answer humans have not existed long

2329
01:43:47,909 --> 01:43:46,149
enough well we've been around for a

2330
01:43:50,339 --> 01:43:47,919
million years that's an eye blink across

2331
01:43:53,219 --> 01:43:50,349
the span of galaxies but you know that's

2332
01:43:54,750 --> 01:43:53,229
still pretty decently long time assuming

2333
01:43:56,100 --> 01:43:54,760
nobody pops up more often that or they

2334
01:43:58,350 --> 01:43:56,110
don't spread out this basically just

2335
01:44:00,659 --> 01:43:58,360
follows back that same issue of is space

2336
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:00,669
travel possible because we can go out

2337
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:03,010
there on colonize the galaxy it doesn't

2338
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:04,570
matter if your original home planet only

2339
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:06,159
lasts for a thousand years or not some

2340
01:44:09,299 --> 01:44:07,570
of those splint I'll County wards are

2341
01:44:11,879 --> 01:44:09,309
going to have survived and come back up

2342
01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:11,889
from nothing if they had to so it's kind

2343
01:44:16,109 --> 01:44:14,289
of notion is you know if you'll still

2344
01:44:18,209 --> 01:44:16,119
exploring the galaxy you know finding a

2345
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:18,219
lian's wait because eventually you will

2346
01:44:21,149 --> 01:44:19,780
they might be from your planet

2347
01:44:21,779 --> 01:44:21,159
originally but they're going to be left

2348
01:44:24,060 --> 01:44:21,789
behind

2349
01:44:25,619 --> 01:44:24,070
whatever you have a colony situation and

2350
01:44:26,879 --> 01:44:25,629
then we have this but like if Earth

2351
01:44:28,649 --> 01:44:26,889
might have been one of their colonies

2352
01:44:30,689 --> 01:44:28,659
and say well if it was they either had

2353
01:44:32,069 --> 01:44:30,699
to bioform us an example where they take

2354
01:44:33,330 --> 01:44:32,079
the existing things and just kind of

2355
01:44:35,279 --> 01:44:33,340
change it to be more like themselves

2356
01:44:38,189 --> 01:44:35,289
right all they had to do it four billion

2357
01:44:39,839 --> 01:44:38,199
years ago but if we Oh example such a

2358
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:39,849
County what about all the others I mean

2359
01:44:43,409 --> 01:44:41,530
we probably won't the only one named

2360
01:44:45,509 --> 01:44:43,419
Bobby did that thousands for millions of

2361
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,519
times right or we just the Force Ones

2362
01:44:48,899 --> 01:44:47,199
the build ourselves back up from some

2363
01:44:50,669 --> 01:44:48,909
catastrophe and then that just kind of

2364
01:44:52,379 --> 01:44:50,679
kicks the ball back because we'd be

2365
01:44:53,969 --> 01:44:52,389
saying oh well the other Force Ones what

2366
01:44:56,279 --> 01:44:53,979
about all the other civilizations won't

2367
01:44:59,129 --> 01:44:56,289
they are others that evolved too or you

2368
01:45:00,000 --> 01:44:59,139
know they did it and we did it and if we

2369
01:45:01,589 --> 01:45:00,010
did it from them

2370
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:01,599
where all the other colonies they made

2371
01:45:05,939 --> 01:45:03,130
and we'll all the other civil

2372
01:45:07,379 --> 01:45:05,949
they start on their own so that's kinda

2373
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:07,389
the issue with they use sort of short

2374
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,730
time exposure once you get life in place

2375
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:10,960
they can actually go out there and

2376
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:12,730
colonize the galaxy assuming that's

2377
01:45:19,950 --> 01:45:17,290
possible what's making it go away next

2378
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:19,960
answer of course to the question so

2379
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:23,679
where is everybody where is et well we

2380
01:45:28,979 --> 01:45:27,310
just aren't listening properly well

2381
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:28,989
that's entirely possible we don't know

2382
01:45:33,419 --> 01:45:30,850
we know we've been playing the science

2383
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:33,429
game for at best 400 years we could be a

2384
01:45:38,220 --> 01:45:35,820
BB kind and give another couple thousand

2385
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:38,230
and in that time we have discovered

2386
01:45:42,180 --> 01:45:40,000
stuff that we would never imagine and

2387
01:45:44,370 --> 01:45:42,190
while I always try to focus on the stuff

2388
01:45:45,780 --> 01:45:44,380
that's inside known science right now I

2389
01:45:47,490 --> 01:45:45,790
never pretend for a moment that I

2390
01:45:48,810 --> 01:45:47,500
actually expect that a couple of

2391
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:48,820
centuries from now we want to discover

2392
01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:50,409
something that will just shock and blow

2393
01:45:55,050 --> 01:45:53,080
my mind mm-hmm and to be honest I think

2394
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:55,060
most of all core physical laws are going

2395
01:45:58,320 --> 01:45:56,800
to stay in place because most of us have

2396
01:45:59,700 --> 01:45:58,330
not really changed that much Newton

2397
01:46:01,950 --> 01:45:59,710
needle a bit of adaptation and

2398
01:46:03,899 --> 01:46:01,960
Einstein's how to pretty solidly for the

2399
01:46:05,340 --> 01:46:03,909
last century but we could have something

2400
01:46:08,430 --> 01:46:05,350
combined just knock over the whole house

2401
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:08,440
of cards and if that's the case you know

2402
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:10,030
if we have something much much better

2403
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:11,679
than radio we're not really gonna use

2404
01:46:16,530 --> 01:46:15,070
the radio very much and so how will we

2405
01:46:18,180 --> 01:46:16,540
listen for what they all listening to

2406
01:46:19,860 --> 01:46:18,190
and that's where we get into more the

2407
01:46:21,689 --> 01:46:19,870
die sonne and SETI things where you're

2408
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:21,699
not looking for the active signal as

2409
01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:23,530
these civilizations send off but things

2410
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:26,230
like their waste heat or you know who

2411
01:46:29,729 --> 01:46:27,760
hides a civilization is always the

2412
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:29,739
question there are so many ways to find

2413
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:31,210
them when people say well maybe they're

2414
01:46:36,450 --> 01:46:33,489
hiding and we say why would you hide

2415
01:46:38,669 --> 01:46:36,460
name me one civilization rather than the

2416
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:38,679
Sentinelese that actually hides near

2417
01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:39,850
they don't actually hide they're just

2418
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:41,409
hostile Darfur knows who come to the

2419
01:46:45,209 --> 01:46:43,810
island most cities not only don't hide

2420
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:45,219
and could be protected so many different

2421
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:47,440
ways the easiest way to detect them is

2422
01:46:50,070 --> 01:46:49,210
all the billboards they put up and cause

2423
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:50,080
you to come visit

2424
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:53,770
that's correct positions out there they

2425
01:46:57,419 --> 01:46:55,330
do want to hide but what about all the

2426
01:47:00,780 --> 01:46:57,429
other ones that don't and we have to

2427
01:47:02,220 --> 01:47:00,790
look at ourselves here in that we you

2428
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,230
just said it we've been dealing with

2429
01:47:06,540 --> 01:47:04,480
radio for a hundred years right we're

2430
01:47:09,149 --> 01:47:06,550
very close to not using it at all

2431
01:47:14,330 --> 01:47:09,159
anymore even though I'm a radio

2432
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:14,340
broadcaster but we will figure out ways

2433
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:17,040
eventually in a hundred years there

2434
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:19,530
could be zero communication going

2435
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:22,800
through the ether that we will be done

2436
01:47:28,430 --> 01:47:25,530
another way and that would mean we would

2437
01:47:30,620 --> 01:47:28,440
have to assume that et went through the

2438
01:47:32,660 --> 01:47:30,630
same processes and the way that they

2439
01:47:35,420 --> 01:47:32,670
communicate now has nothing to do with

2440
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:35,430
us today we see even ultimately that one

2441
01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:37,050
walk because we had two problems with

2442
01:47:40,610 --> 01:47:38,760
that first we do have a lot of things to

2443
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:40,620
kick around long after there there are

2444
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:42,930
normal parent lifespan I'm already

2445
01:47:47,810 --> 01:47:44,970
predicting video stats back when TV

2446
01:47:49,370 --> 01:47:47,820
killed the radiostar sure I'm sure

2447
01:47:51,290 --> 01:47:49,380
that hasn't happened yet and it's never

2448
01:47:53,420 --> 01:47:51,300
going to happen entirely for the same

2449
01:47:55,700 --> 01:47:53,430
reason we still have people making

2450
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:55,710
vintage people and having Renaissance

2451
01:48:00,440 --> 01:47:59,040
Fairs and also the secondary on that is

2452
01:48:02,210 --> 01:48:00,450
even assuming you don't have a bunch of

2453
01:48:03,500 --> 01:48:02,220
civilizations that just have little

2454
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:03,510
villages that still like to communicate

2455
01:48:07,580 --> 01:48:05,970
by radio you're gonna have some people

2456
01:48:10,010 --> 01:48:07,590
in that civilization that want to talk

2457
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,020
to other people and we broadcast you on

2458
01:48:14,210 --> 01:48:12,540
radio anyway for that not to walk you

2459
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:14,220
have to then assume they don't want to

2460
01:48:18,980 --> 01:48:16,890
be hard a civilization that doesn't mind

2461
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:18,990
being hard but just doesn't use radio

2462
01:48:22,970 --> 01:48:21,210
anymore will still be visible because

2463
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:22,980
they're not hiding they just don't use

2464
01:48:26,660 --> 01:48:25,290
all method of communication and they

2465
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,670
know a lot of civilizations will use

2466
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:29,040
that too so they're broadcast on that to

2467
01:48:34,190 --> 01:48:31,650
say hello they had to be hiding and not

2468
01:48:38,630 --> 01:48:34,200
use radio for that one to walk there was

2469
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:38,640
an episode of the Orval which I love I

2470
01:48:43,070 --> 01:48:41,040
think that it's a great show great show

2471
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:43,080
and you remember the episode from a

2472
01:48:48,830 --> 01:48:46,740
couple of weeks ago where they they get

2473
01:48:50,300 --> 01:48:48,840
on they find it you know a new uncharted

2474
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:50,310
planet they go down there's a life-form

2475
01:48:55,660 --> 01:48:52,080
detected and a civilization that come

2476
01:48:59,600 --> 01:48:55,670
down and everything is cool but they

2477
01:49:02,630 --> 01:48:59,610
didn't want to be found right and they

2478
01:49:05,570 --> 01:49:02,640
couldn't believe end and that was their

2479
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:05,580
thing well so I got hung up on you

2480
01:49:08,150 --> 01:49:06,960
saying that day was an episode a couple

2481
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:08,160
of weeks ago is this season to come out

2482
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:10,410
already yes

2483
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:14,010
oh no you're messing with me Isaac don't

2484
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:16,770
even mess with me I often wait to see

2485
01:49:22,940 --> 01:49:18,210
you for the entire season come out but I

2486
01:49:27,330 --> 01:49:22,950
did not know they already had man okay

2487
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:27,340
okay well it was just that way

2488
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:29,570
civilizations you know tend to isolate

2489
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:34,010
themselves and that's exactly what this

2490
01:49:39,310 --> 01:49:36,410
episode of the Oroville was dealing with

2491
01:49:41,590 --> 01:49:39,320
a fully advanced upright technically

2492
01:49:45,010 --> 01:49:41,600
advanced civilization

2493
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:45,020
right but they just didn't want to be

2494
01:49:49,180 --> 01:49:47,450
found out they just want to be left

2495
01:49:51,459 --> 01:49:49,190
alone and here's the problem with that

2496
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:51,469
that's possible but it wouldn't there's

2497
01:49:55,570 --> 01:49:53,840
a few problems we have with this first

2498
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:55,580
is it's assuming everyone does if you

2499
01:49:59,920 --> 01:49:57,770
got thousands civilizations it doesn't

2500
01:50:02,140 --> 01:49:59,930
matter if hundreds of them hide and the

2501
01:50:04,180 --> 01:50:02,150
other problem though is hiding is not

2502
01:50:05,979 --> 01:50:04,190
the best way to be left alone we say I

2503
01:50:08,290 --> 01:50:05,989
don't want to be talked to these people

2504
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:08,300
I'm gonna hide if you want to be left

2505
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,010
alone in your cabin in the woods you

2506
01:50:14,979 --> 01:50:12,560
stick up no trespassing signs and you do

2507
01:50:16,690 --> 01:50:14,989
this for a very simple reason one it

2508
01:50:18,459 --> 01:50:16,700
keeps people from actually coming by for

2509
01:50:21,340 --> 01:50:18,469
the most part most people respect that

2510
01:50:23,740 --> 01:50:21,350
and two it means if they still invade

2511
01:50:25,060 --> 01:50:23,750
and they still come by be curious and

2512
01:50:27,130 --> 01:50:25,070
you shoot at them to meet them go away

2513
01:50:29,050 --> 01:50:27,140
or you don't help them with they run out

2514
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:29,060
of fuel right no but you can come by and

2515
01:50:34,270 --> 01:50:32,510
say you screwed all citizens over if I

2516
01:50:36,340 --> 01:50:34,280
got a big galactic battle fleet and I

2517
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:36,350
hear that you've destroyed one of my

2518
01:50:40,270 --> 01:50:37,760
exploration ships that was there

2519
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,280
peacefully I might come by with that

2520
01:50:43,959 --> 01:50:42,080
fleet to have a conversation about your

2521
01:50:45,970 --> 01:50:43,969
manners whereas if there was a no

2522
01:50:47,740 --> 01:50:45,980
trespassing sign up or a signal saying

2523
01:50:50,110 --> 01:50:47,750
leave us alone we don't want to talk to

2524
01:50:51,370 --> 01:50:50,120
you things are a lot easier everyone who

2525
01:50:53,020 --> 01:50:51,380
respects that sort of thing

2526
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:53,030
is gonna leave you be and everyone who

2527
01:50:56,140 --> 01:50:54,650
doesn't you've got authorization to

2528
01:50:58,660 --> 01:50:56,150
shoot at without most people assigned

2529
01:51:00,400 --> 01:50:58,670
you need to get shot yourself right so

2530
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,410
you want to be left alone the best thing

2531
01:51:05,590 --> 01:51:01,760
to do is put up a side says no

2532
01:51:09,300 --> 01:51:05,600
solicitous makes sense it absolutely

2533
01:51:13,750 --> 01:51:09,310
makes sense and one of I want to spend

2534
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:13,760
to the top of the hour here on this next

2535
01:51:18,010 --> 01:51:16,730
one which is okay where's et where is

2536
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:18,020
everybody

2537
01:51:25,630 --> 01:51:23,170
and the answer is they're just too alien

2538
01:51:27,729 --> 01:51:25,640
and that is always one of those ones we

2539
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,739
have such a problem with because we

2540
01:51:32,770 --> 01:51:30,080
don't know anything about how aliens

2541
01:51:34,420 --> 01:51:32,780
behave there was a book a few well

2542
01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:34,430
actually it's about thirty years ago the

2543
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:36,590
killing stall by a cellist Pellegrino in

2544
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:38,690
that they say there's only three things

2545
01:51:42,370 --> 01:51:39,679
we know about alien

2546
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:42,380
for sure and even that's in doubt the

2547
01:51:46,509 --> 01:51:44,449
forced is that they want to survive they

2548
01:51:48,009 --> 01:51:46,519
might be peaceful they might be hostile

2549
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:48,019
but they want to live more than they

2550
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:49,760
want you to live so if it comes down to

2551
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:51,110
it they are going to protect themselves

2552
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:53,360
forced the second one is they're

2553
01:51:56,979 --> 01:51:54,650
probably gonna be very good at that

2554
01:51:59,020 --> 01:51:56,989
because evolution does not produce wimps

2555
01:52:01,660 --> 01:51:59,030
even if they're pacifists they're going

2556
01:52:04,750 --> 01:52:01,670
to be very good at being aggressive when

2557
01:52:06,399 --> 01:52:04,760
they need to be and the third one is

2558
01:52:08,799 --> 01:52:06,409
they're going to know that both of those

2559
01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:08,809
things are true about us too that you're

2560
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,340
not gonna have evolution produce

2561
01:52:13,870 --> 01:52:12,320
anything that is you know basically just

2562
01:52:17,199 --> 01:52:13,880
wimpy in that respect

2563
01:52:18,850 --> 01:52:17,209
easy to die out now we can't be sure

2564
01:52:20,589 --> 01:52:18,860
about something even like that there's

2565
01:52:22,689 --> 01:52:20,599
these very things we just said eating

2566
01:52:24,009 --> 01:52:22,699
beyond that is up for grabs

2567
01:52:26,109 --> 01:52:24,019
but we were saying olio that would be

2568
01:52:28,779 --> 01:52:26,119
hard for super aggressive species that

2569
01:52:31,839 --> 01:52:28,789
was just incredibly xenophobic to ever

2570
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:31,849
become a civilization because xenophobia

2571
01:52:34,779 --> 01:52:33,289
doesn't start against aliens no-one's

2572
01:52:36,219 --> 01:52:34,789
going to evolve on their planet afraid

2573
01:52:38,529 --> 01:52:36,229
of emotions they don't know what those

2574
01:52:40,509 --> 01:52:38,539
are yet that kind of xenophobia has to

2575
01:52:42,459 --> 01:52:40,519
start early on meaning you're probably

2576
01:52:44,469 --> 01:52:42,469
attacking every other tribe you come to

2577
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:44,479
contact with and you're going to be

2578
01:52:47,949 --> 01:52:46,010
costly it was you wanted more of those

2579
01:52:49,929 --> 01:52:47,959
and you're gonna be constantly breaking

2580
01:52:51,580 --> 01:52:49,939
down from civil wars when those folks

2581
01:52:53,529 --> 01:52:51,590
they don't have the right shade of red

2582
01:52:55,390 --> 01:52:53,539
in their hair or something like that how

2583
01:52:57,939 --> 01:52:55,400
to build a civilization that way could

2584
01:52:59,319 --> 01:52:57,949
happen but probably not too often and so

2585
01:53:01,359 --> 01:52:59,329
we'd say you probably have fairly

2586
01:53:02,859 --> 01:53:01,369
cooperative and diplomatic aliens out

2587
01:53:04,419 --> 01:53:02,869
there they had they might not be as much

2588
01:53:05,649 --> 01:53:04,429
as us they might be more than us but

2589
01:53:08,379 --> 01:53:05,659
they're gonna know what these concepts

2590
01:53:10,629 --> 01:53:08,389
are then we get in there really alien

2591
01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:10,639
stuff though stuff that maybe was not of

2592
01:53:14,739 --> 01:53:13,249
all but was created by the meal Skynet

2593
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:14,749
takes over the planet and extinguished

2594
01:53:19,419 --> 01:53:17,689
all the humans yes or they just came up

2595
01:53:22,179 --> 01:53:19,429
a completely different pathway to us

2596
01:53:24,279 --> 01:53:22,189
than we wouldn't even recognize you know

2597
01:53:26,319 --> 01:53:24,289
let's say that they came from a parallel

2598
01:53:29,020 --> 01:53:26,329
universe traumas that was just congruous

2599
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,030
with with auth congruent with all but

2600
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:30,800
it's got four dimensions and the math

2601
01:53:34,839 --> 01:53:32,449
there doesn't walk like pi does not

2602
01:53:36,189 --> 01:53:34,849
equal 3.14 you know how would they even

2603
01:53:38,919 --> 01:53:36,199
know how to talk to us because we say

2604
01:53:43,899 --> 01:53:38,929
math is the universal language in this

2605
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:43,909
universe in ours we don't know even that

2606
01:53:46,660 --> 01:53:45,530
for sure their arguments say maybe math

2607
01:53:49,569 --> 01:53:46,670
is not universal

2608
01:53:51,310 --> 01:53:49,579
but even then just here they all

2609
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:51,320
presumably places where two plus two

2610
01:53:54,770 --> 01:53:53,340
equals five if you've got the whole mall

2611
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:54,780
for saying that has different fiscal

2612
01:53:59,510 --> 01:53:57,690
hours and in that case they might have

2613
01:54:01,280 --> 01:53:59,520
no way to even talk to us that way you

2614
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:01,290
know we're not gonna we say let's send

2615
01:54:05,450 --> 01:54:02,639
them prime numbers so let's send the

2616
01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:05,460
digits of pi in binary and that would

2617
01:54:09,470 --> 01:54:07,830
walk on anyone in this galaxy presumably

2618
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:09,480
because the prime numbers and PI should

2619
01:54:13,970 --> 01:54:11,489
be the same but if you send me an energy

2620
01:54:15,530 --> 01:54:13,980
the the tenth dimension they might have

2621
01:54:17,439 --> 01:54:15,540
no clue what you're sending them or that

2622
01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:17,449
you're sending them anything at all and

2623
01:54:20,990 --> 01:54:19,739
so you might not even recognize those

2624
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:21,000
but we'd otherwise say normally that

2625
01:54:27,530 --> 01:54:23,610
intelligence recognize intelligence I

2626
01:54:28,939 --> 01:54:27,540
could mistake a stone axe for something

2627
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:28,949
natural so I'm at the Giant's Causeway

2628
01:54:33,020 --> 01:54:31,050
where it's all these big hexagons looks

2629
01:54:34,430 --> 01:54:33,030
artificial but there's a difference

2630
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:34,440
between seeing something natural that

2631
01:54:38,359 --> 01:54:36,239
might be artificial or vice versa and

2632
01:54:40,490 --> 01:54:38,369
walking into a tool shop and not

2633
01:54:42,770 --> 01:54:40,500
recognizing what it is we'll joke about

2634
01:54:44,300 --> 01:54:42,780
how aliens might think our toast or cat

2635
01:54:46,850 --> 01:54:44,310
was the intelligent dominant life-form

2636
01:54:48,770 --> 01:54:46,860
and that's funny but probably very

2637
01:54:51,229 --> 01:54:48,780
unlikely did have to be very stupid

2638
01:54:53,419 --> 01:54:51,239
too stupid to master space travel not to

2639
01:54:55,250 --> 01:54:53,429
rapidly figure out that the humans were

2640
01:54:57,709 --> 01:54:55,260
the ones that were the intelligent

2641
01:54:59,359 --> 01:54:57,719
species on this planet and once they do

2642
01:55:01,370 --> 01:54:59,369
they should be able to see a pathway for

2643
01:55:02,839 --> 01:55:01,380
communication so we can only have a

2644
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:02,849
guess on something like because if it's

2645
01:55:06,890 --> 01:55:05,010
alien enough how do you even you know

2646
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:06,900
you know after them but if they all are

2647
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:07,650
that alien

2648
01:55:11,060 --> 01:55:09,599
it may not even matter if they exist or

2649
01:55:12,290 --> 01:55:11,070
not because if that you can't talk to

2650
01:55:14,180 --> 01:55:12,300
them they can't talk to you you can't

2651
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:14,190
even detect each other then for all

2652
01:55:17,660 --> 01:55:15,840
practical purposes you really don't

2653
01:55:22,370 --> 01:55:17,670
exist as far as shuttle can so on to

2654
01:55:25,939 --> 01:55:22,380
never would there is the question of us

2655
01:55:28,459 --> 01:55:25,949
even recognizing us in 10,000 years and

2656
01:55:32,530 --> 01:55:28,469
that we may not even have these meat

2657
01:55:35,629 --> 01:55:32,540
sack bodies that we have today we could

2658
01:55:38,479 --> 01:55:35,639
you know presumably turn into light

2659
01:55:41,180 --> 01:55:38,489
beings or energy or even some type of

2660
01:55:44,200 --> 01:55:41,190
Android where we just transfer our

2661
01:55:46,490 --> 01:55:44,210
brains into something completely

2662
01:55:48,919 --> 01:55:46,500
artificial and manufactured but that

2663
01:55:51,500 --> 01:55:48,929
being said we may not even be able to

2664
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:51,510
recognize ourselves in 10,000 years or

2665
01:55:57,770 --> 01:55:54,480
how to communicate or or anything that

2666
01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:57,780
we do today and if we go off planet and

2667
01:56:04,220 --> 01:56:01,320
and encounter something alien it could

2668
01:56:06,710 --> 01:56:04,230
be just as alien as we would be in

2669
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:06,720
10,000 years in that it would be in a

2670
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:10,050
possible way to to see or recognize or

2671
01:56:14,060 --> 01:56:12,840
communicate with for us yeah now there's

2672
01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:14,070
there's the thing on that they ain't

2673
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:15,600
uploaded mind that artificial

2674
01:56:19,340 --> 01:56:17,040
intelligence of a human II was digit

2675
01:56:21,710 --> 01:56:19,350
upload our thumb drive teleported back

2676
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,720
to Rome Romans don't know what a thumb

2677
01:56:25,580 --> 01:56:24,000
drive is let's say this is intelligent

2678
01:56:28,010 --> 01:56:25,590
this is just a piece of plastic and what

2679
01:56:29,690 --> 01:56:28,020
is plastic but we know what that is and

2680
01:56:31,580 --> 01:56:29,700
we know what Rome is we would recognize

2681
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:31,590
them we can't communicate with them

2682
01:56:35,810 --> 01:56:33,810
anyone down the road ten thousand years

2683
01:56:38,300 --> 01:56:35,820
from now should be able to talk to us if

2684
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:38,310
they want to so again this kind of foamy

2685
01:56:42,590 --> 01:56:39,690
paradox solution where they've kind of

2686
01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:42,600
evolved past us either they just not

2687
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:44,760
recognize what to us relies on the

2688
01:56:48,140 --> 01:56:46,170
assumption that they don't want to talk

2689
01:56:50,630 --> 01:56:48,150
to us because they should be able to if

2690
01:56:52,250 --> 01:56:50,640
they want to communication only allows

2691
01:56:54,350 --> 01:56:52,260
one of the parties to be able to start

2692
01:56:55,850 --> 01:56:54,360
off the rosetta stone if they don't want

2693
01:56:57,860 --> 01:56:55,860
to talk to us we have a problem if they

2694
01:56:59,140 --> 01:56:57,870
do want to talk to us we don't because

2695
01:57:03,020 --> 01:56:59,150
they should be able to figure out how to

2696
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:03,030
what do we do with situations like that

2697
01:57:11,540 --> 01:57:07,920
if for instance you know with CDs today

2698
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:11,550
right DVDs we they're almost useless it

2699
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:13,650
they were they were only useful for

2700
01:57:21,380 --> 01:57:16,320
about a decade right those any allowed

2701
01:57:23,660 --> 01:57:21,390
this can use them as a as a you know I'm

2702
01:57:24,830 --> 01:57:23,670
doing it right now and that's what

2703
01:57:26,810 --> 01:57:24,840
they'd use them for if they found in

2704
01:57:30,700 --> 01:57:26,820
nature home to what pretty Neos these oh

2705
01:57:33,470 --> 01:57:30,710
yeah they would know what to do and so

2706
01:57:34,970 --> 01:57:33,480
you know a million years from now or

2707
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:34,980
five hundred thousand years from now

2708
01:57:39,710 --> 01:57:37,170
they they're uncovering these things

2709
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:39,720
there's no way to playback that music or

2710
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:41,760
there's no way to retrieve the data or

2711
01:57:46,430 --> 01:57:43,770
even to know that that's what they are

2712
01:57:49,190 --> 01:57:46,440
that there is data on those discs that

2713
01:57:49,970 --> 01:57:49,200
would have all of our history they're

2714
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:49,980
right

2715
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:52,320
the Romans use them as coastal is

2716
01:57:55,580 --> 01:57:53,970
because they don't know what they are we

2717
01:57:57,020 --> 01:57:55,590
use them as coastal us because we don't

2718
01:57:59,000 --> 01:57:57,030
care about them they're useless to us

2719
01:58:01,010 --> 01:57:59,010
exactly if we needed access to them

2720
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:01,020
though we know how to access them we can

2721
01:58:05,660 --> 01:58:03,690
access those and so there's the thing is

2722
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:05,670
if we have like you fall civilization

2723
01:58:09,380 --> 01:58:07,440
fell apology and all we had to work with

2724
01:58:10,850 --> 01:58:09,390
was CDs and we were knocked back to the

2725
01:58:12,770 --> 01:58:10,860
Neolithic level we definitely have a

2726
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:12,780
problem fortunately you have things like

2727
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:14,970
books and stuff lying around and so

2728
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:16,650
there's the other aspect we say to Ollie

2729
01:58:19,700 --> 01:58:17,970
always said they wouldn't use radio

2730
01:58:19,950 --> 01:58:19,710
anymore and I mentioned how they might

2731
01:58:21,570 --> 01:58:19,960
have

2732
01:58:23,220 --> 01:58:21,580
sounds fair sir did that a lot of

2733
01:58:25,380 --> 01:58:23,230
civilizations might keep a lot of their

2734
01:58:27,090 --> 01:58:25,390
history around that way for the same

2735
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:27,100
reason that we you know you got a bunk

2736
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:28,330
with you filled so you might want to

2737
01:58:32,010 --> 01:58:30,400
have Wikipedia on a data stick but you

2738
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:32,020
still have some hard copy reference

2739
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:33,730
books too I think a lot of these

2740
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:35,650
civilizations would tend to keep a lot

2741
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:38,650
of the more classic stuff around even if

2742
01:58:41,580 --> 01:58:40,090
for no better reason than historical

2743
01:58:43,260 --> 01:58:41,590
appreciation but against that little

2744
01:58:44,970 --> 01:58:43,270
fear that someone might come by and wipe

2745
01:58:47,580 --> 01:58:44,980
it out that that hi-oh technology

2746
01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:47,590
they're dependent on and the other thing

2747
01:58:50,700 --> 01:58:49,030
about these guys they might be nearly

2748
01:58:53,670 --> 01:58:50,710
immortal but they are the process of

2749
01:58:55,740 --> 01:58:53,680
evolution they want to live and we get

2750
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:55,750
more and more cautious every year

2751
01:59:00,270 --> 01:58:58,000
because we don't die that much you know

2752
01:59:01,620 --> 01:59:00,280
most of us live to our old age these

2753
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:01,630
could be fellows who could live for

2754
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:03,850
millions of years potentially because

2755
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:05,410
they've got life extension technology

2756
01:59:09,479 --> 01:59:07,840
for instance imagine a situation like

2757
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:09,489
that where you're not afraid of died of

2758
01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:11,770
natural causes and you want to keep

2759
01:59:16,620 --> 01:59:14,530
living just how many measures are you

2760
01:59:18,270 --> 01:59:16,630
know apropos take some pretty extreme

2761
01:59:20,580 --> 01:59:18,280
measures but these guys might laugh at

2762
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:20,590
that as reckless they probably go to

2763
01:59:24,470 --> 01:59:22,210
some pretty extreme efforts to make sure

2764
01:59:27,870 --> 01:59:24,480
they are protected against cataclysms

2765
01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:27,880
well that's exactly right and and and

2766
01:59:33,750 --> 01:59:30,310
back to back to your point when it comes

2767
01:59:36,780 --> 01:59:33,760
to this often wondered when Sagan you

2768
01:59:38,700 --> 01:59:36,790
know designed or show the designs for a

2769
01:59:40,229 --> 01:59:38,710
phonograph player for the record so they

2770
01:59:43,860 --> 01:59:40,239
could play it back that they would

2771
01:59:45,060 --> 01:59:43,870
actually understand what that said let's

2772
01:59:46,430 --> 01:59:45,070
take a break right here I guess tonight

2773
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:46,440
Isaac Arthur stay with us

2774
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:57,280
this is kera digital broadcasting

2775
02:00:03,070 --> 01:59:59,840
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2776
02:00:04,780 --> 02:00:03,080
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2777
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2778
02:00:07,690 --> 02:00:05,650
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2779
02:00:09,490 --> 02:00:07,700
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2780
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:09,500
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2781
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:12,650
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2782
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2785
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2788
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2789
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2790
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2791
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2792
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2793
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02:00:42,490 --> 02:00:40,430
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2796
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2797
02:00:49,150 --> 02:00:47,240
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2801
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2804
02:01:09,020 --> 02:01:04,079
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2805
02:01:10,879 --> 02:01:09,030
trending topics kera radio.com does your

2806
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:10,889
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2807
02:01:14,779 --> 02:01:13,050
smell while watch out that's a sign of

2808
02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:14,789
too much moisture and not enough

2809
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:16,649
ventilation and that can mean increased

2810
02:01:20,179 --> 02:01:18,090
mold growth and their build-up of

2811
02:01:22,399 --> 02:01:20,189
harmful toxins and gases don't bother

2812
02:01:24,439 --> 02:01:22,409
with a dehumidifier it just circulates

2813
02:01:26,540 --> 02:01:24,449
the same unhealthy air now there's a

2814
02:01:28,699 --> 02:01:26,550
better way to remove these dangers and

2815
02:01:30,770 --> 02:01:28,709
odors it's with the computerized wave

2816
02:01:32,750 --> 02:01:30,780
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02:01:34,580 --> 02:01:32,760
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02:01:36,649 --> 02:01:34,590
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2819
02:01:38,929 --> 02:01:36,659
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2820
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:38,939
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2821
02:01:43,969 --> 02:01:41,130
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2822
02:01:46,069 --> 02:01:43,979
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2824
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:48,300
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02:01:53,060 --> 02:01:50,729
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2827
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2828
02:02:08,490 --> 02:02:05,020
we own solutions

2829
02:02:12,700 --> 02:02:10,810
this is Jimmy Church of fade to black

2830
02:02:15,940 --> 02:02:12,710
and I only drink

2831
02:02:18,460 --> 02:02:15,950
fade to black blend coffee from River

2832
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:18,470
Moon just click on the River moon coffee

2833
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:21,410
banner at Jimmy Church radio.com promo

2834
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:25,490
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2835
02:02:30,430 --> 02:02:28,010
being tired well then it's time to get

2836
02:02:32,830 --> 02:02:30,440
the tea hey it's Lisa here to tell you

2837
02:02:34,630 --> 02:02:32,840
about this all-natural all organic tea

2838
02:02:36,280 --> 02:02:34,640
I've been drinking that has had great

2839
02:02:39,190 --> 02:02:36,290
results for over 20 years

2840
02:02:41,050 --> 02:02:39,200
it's called life changed tea and it's

2841
02:02:43,660 --> 02:02:41,060
specially formulated to help detoxify

2842
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:43,670
and cleanse your kidneys liver colon and

2843
02:02:47,740 --> 02:02:46,370
blood all at once the colon is one of

2844
02:02:50,500 --> 02:02:47,750
the most ignored organs in the human

2845
02:02:52,330 --> 02:02:50,510
body the faster that waste is eliminated

2846
02:02:54,340 --> 02:02:52,340
from the body the less time that way

2847
02:02:56,230 --> 02:02:54,350
sits in our intestines sprinting toxins

2848
02:02:58,210 --> 02:02:56,240
to our bloodstream this tea helps

2849
02:03:00,070 --> 02:02:58,220
cleanse chemicals caused by outside

2850
02:03:03,130 --> 02:03:00,080
intruders from our entire digestive

2851
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:03,140
system and get this weight loss can be a

2852
02:03:07,660 --> 02:03:05,450
side effect and with continued use of

2853
02:03:10,090 --> 02:03:07,670
the tea you can experience clearer

2854
02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:10,100
healthier younger looking skin increased

2855
02:03:14,170 --> 02:03:12,770
energy and a happier outlook on life so

2856
02:03:17,050 --> 02:03:14,180
if you're tired of being tired

2857
02:03:17,860 --> 02:03:17,060
get the life change tea at get the tea

2858
02:03:22,470 --> 02:03:17,870
calm

2859
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:22,480
you'll be glad you did

2860
02:03:26,380 --> 02:03:24,650
did you know that when you're on the

2861
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:26,390
road with limited data or Wi-Fi

2862
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:28,850
available you can still listen to every

2863
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:30,770
minute of fade to black by just calling

2864
02:03:36,580 --> 02:03:33,530
six oh five five six two four four eight

2865
02:03:39,070 --> 02:03:36,590
two no smartphone app or Internet needed

2866
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:39,080
it saves your data plan and no extra

2867
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:41,690
cost if you have unlimited minutes just

2868
02:03:46,660 --> 02:03:44,480
call six oh five five six two four four

2869
02:03:49,390 --> 02:03:46,670
eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

2870
02:03:56,220 --> 02:03:49,400
Church on any phone anytime anywhere

2871
02:04:00,270 --> 02:03:57,920
[Music]

2872
02:04:02,380 --> 02:04:00,280
[Applause]

2873
02:04:06,640 --> 02:04:02,390
you wanna know a secret

2874
02:04:09,610 --> 02:04:06,650
I love police I really love ponies I'm

2875
02:04:13,870 --> 02:04:09,620
serious I couldn't stay sane without

2876
02:04:19,370 --> 02:04:13,880
poor mr. Brooks I fade to black because

2877
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:21,240
this is fade to black

2878
02:04:27,060 --> 02:04:23,380
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2879
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:27,070
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2880
02:04:40,739 --> 02:04:29,450
alliance

2881
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:40,749
[Music]

2882
02:04:44,739 --> 02:04:43,130
welcome back fade to black hi I'm your

2883
02:04:51,180 --> 02:04:44,749
host Jimmy Church I guess tonight Isaac

2884
02:04:54,939 --> 02:04:51,190
Arthur and Isaac just did four hours

2885
02:04:57,370 --> 02:04:54,949
hold a pole start to finish with me on

2886
02:05:00,819 --> 02:04:57,380
Sunday evening over on coast to coast

2887
02:05:03,939 --> 02:05:00,829
and and Isaac I just have to say thank

2888
02:05:06,879 --> 02:05:03,949
you for that but for a premiere for a

2889
02:05:09,759 --> 02:05:06,889
debut on coast to coast to go through

2890
02:05:11,290 --> 02:05:09,769
that because you you broadcast you put

2891
02:05:13,719 --> 02:05:11,300
together your stuff every single week

2892
02:05:16,810 --> 02:05:13,729
too as well but that was a pretty good

2893
02:05:19,209 --> 02:05:16,820
experience out of the gate wasn't it did

2894
02:05:20,830 --> 02:05:19,219
you have a good time it was amazing I I

2895
02:05:22,629 --> 02:05:20,840
mean it was exhausting as I mean I you

2896
02:05:25,689 --> 02:05:22,639
know I I'm not used to in the long live

2897
02:05:27,370 --> 02:05:25,699
shows like that and but it was just good

2898
02:05:29,049 --> 02:05:27,380
and the audience was just giving good

2899
02:05:31,899 --> 02:05:29,059
questions left and right so it was a

2900
02:05:34,089 --> 02:05:31,909
great time how's the feedback been from

2901
02:05:35,620 --> 02:05:34,099
your audience really good there's

2902
02:05:37,449 --> 02:05:35,630
actually a lot of crossover at the

2903
02:05:38,500 --> 02:05:37,459
channel and since I tend to be a more on

2904
02:05:40,029 --> 02:05:38,510
the skeptic side I think some folks

2905
02:05:42,069 --> 02:05:40,039
Bulacan know us about saying they're

2906
02:05:43,989 --> 02:05:42,079
regulars on coast to coast but I've been

2907
02:05:45,660 --> 02:05:43,999
listening to show for a year or so so I

2908
02:05:48,489 --> 02:05:45,670
was less surprised by that

2909
02:05:52,029 --> 02:05:48,499
it's got to be exciting it's like you

2910
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:52,039
know when you go and you are you grow

2911
02:05:56,620 --> 02:05:54,530
grow up next door to Madison Square

2912
02:05:59,109 --> 02:05:56,630
Garden right and you're always attending

2913
02:06:01,209 --> 02:05:59,119
concerts and then one day you're playing

2914
02:06:04,029 --> 02:06:01,219
yeah you're playing Madison Square

2915
02:06:05,919 --> 02:06:04,039
Garden but that's exactly what it was

2916
02:06:07,959 --> 02:06:05,929
like wasn't it oh it's awesome yeah I

2917
02:06:10,330 --> 02:06:07,969
just think yeah I'm just for the show I

2918
02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:10,340
grew up watching folks like sake and I'm

2919
02:06:13,930 --> 02:06:12,110
getting to do I mean obviously I have

2920
02:06:16,270 --> 02:06:13,940
nowhere near the outreach that Sagan had

2921
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:16,280
but just to be doing something a little

2922
02:06:20,649 --> 02:06:18,650
bit like him is so amazing and and you